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Dan Rather's laughable account of what he thinks he saw in the Zapruder film
Michael T. Griffith:
--- Quote from: Jack Nessan on July 14, 2025, 04:35:45 PM ---“Over 40 witnesses from all over Dealey Plaza said the limousine stopped or markedly slowed, yet no such action is seen in the Zapruder film. Are you going to argue that these witnesses amazingly experienced a mass hallucination?”
What nonsense, completely wrong. It is noticeable not only in the Zapruder film but Nix and Muchmore films. The car noticeably slowing down is the impetus for SA Hill to jump off of the SS car and run to JFK’s limo. Maybe it is time to write a new tripe filled article.
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You can't be serious. First off, there is no "noticeable" stop or slowdown in the Zapruder film. Even when you watch the film at half speed, there is no discernible slowdown, much less a stop. Second, several witnesses said the stop/marked slowdown occurred before the head explosion, but Hill did not start to move toward the limousine until after the head explosion. Officer Hargis, for example, said he was hit with blood and brain spray after the limo stopped.
Dr. Luis Alvarez detected a 4-mph slowdown in Z295-304, i.e., in 10 frames/546 milliseconds. Obviously, this event is undiscernible when you view the Zapruder film at normal speed, which is the speed at which witnesses viewed the shooting. In fact, the slowdown happens so quickly that no one noticed it until Alvarez detected it through careful frame-by-frame analysis of the film. This cannot be the stop or marked slowdown described by 40-plus witnesses.
Furthermore, speaking of the Muchmore film, in that film the limousine's brake lights come on for nine frames during the time period corresponding to Z311-319, but this event is not seen in those Zapruder frames, not to mention the fact that several witnesses said the stop/marked slowdown occurred before JFK's head exploded.
Royell Storing:
Even DPD Motorcycle Officer Hargis waffled about whether the JFK Limo came to a Stop or not. I believe he finally settled on a "rolling stop" answer to this question. Anyway you slice it, SA Greer should have immediately Floored the accelerator and zig-zagged the Limo down Elm St. Instead, Greer allegedly does a "rolling stop" and then steers the Limo "straight-assa-string" down Elm St. On top of all of that, SA Greer or anyone else connected to the SS was ever fired.
Jack Nessan:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on July 14, 2025, 05:00:25 PM ---You can't be serious. First off, there is no "noticeable" stop or slowdown in the Zapruder film. Even when you watch the film at half speed, there is no discernible slowdown, much less a stop. Second, several witnesses said the stop/marked slowdown occurred before the head explosion, but Hill did not start to move toward the limousine until after the head explosion. Officer Hargis, for example, said he was hit with blood and brain spray after the limo stopped.
Dr. Luis Alvarez detected a 4-mph slowdown in Z295-304, i.e., in 10 frames/546 milliseconds. Obviously, this event is undiscernible when you view the Zapruder film at normal speed, which is the speed at which witnesses viewed the shooting. In fact, the slowdown happens so quickly that no one noticed it until Alvarez detected it through careful frame-by-frame analysis of the film. This cannot be the stop or marked slowdown described by 40-plus witnesses.
Furthermore, speaking of the Muchmore film, in that film the limousine's brake lights come on for nine frames during the time period corresponding to Z311-319, but this event is not seen in those Zapruder frames, not to mention the fact that several witnesses said the stop/marked slowdown occurred before JFK's head exploded.
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Maybe watch the films again. You do not need to have anyone tell you anything. You do not need to have Louis Alvarez or any of these people tell you what is obvious to the naked eye. You are seeing the assassination the same way it was seen by the eyewitnesses on 11/22/63. It is obvious in the Zapruder, Muchmore, and Nix films that the car slowed during the headshot sequence. All three films show the same reaction.
Royell Storing:
"......what is obvious to the naked eye"? Have you ever watched a "Fast & Furious" flick? NOTHING on film is, "obvious to the naked eye".
Mitch Todd:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on July 14, 2025, 05:00:25 PM ---You can't be serious. First off, there is no "noticeable" stop or slowdown in the Zapruder film. Even when you watch the film at half speed, there is no discernible slowdown, much less a stop. Second, several witnesses said the stop/marked slowdown occurred before the head explosion, but Hill did not start to move toward the limousine until after the head explosion. Officer Hargis, for example, said he was hit with blood and brain spray after the limo stopped.
Dr. Luis Alvarez detected a 4-mph slowdown in Z295-304, i.e., in 10 frames/546 milliseconds. Obviously, this event is undiscernible when you view the Zapruder film at normal speed, which is the speed at which witnesses viewed the shooting. In fact, the slowdown happens so quickly that no one noticed it until Alvarez detected it through careful frame-by-frame analysis of the film. This cannot be the stop or marked slowdown described by 40-plus witnesses.
Furthermore, speaking of the Muchmore film, in that film the limousine's brake lights come on for nine frames during the time period corresponding to Z311-319, but this event is not seen in those Zapruder frames, not to mention the fact that several witnesses said the stop/marked slowdown occurred before JFK's head exploded.
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dosens of
Alvarez' deceleration calculations are centered around two different linear regressions. Each is derived from data over dozens of frames, so it is not a particularly accurate representation of what happens right around the deceleration. The ANTDavisonNZ panoramic version of the Zapruder film gives you a much better picture of what happened, and the slowdown shown there is pretty abrupt.
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqk3sdfXFkc
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