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Dan Rather's laughable account of what he thinks he saw in the Zapruder film
Steve M. Galbraith:
In his memoirs (and supported by other accounts of people who were there, e.g., Richard Stolley), Rather explains that he - and the other media representatives who were there - were allowed to see the film *one time* privately before bidding on it. After he saw the film he immediately left before bidding and gave his news report on what he thought he saw. The lawyer mentioned below was Zapruder's lawyer Sam Passman.
Remember that after the assassination Zapruder had the in camera original film developed and then three copies of that made. So there were four films. He gave two *copies* to the government (Forrest Sorrels, the Dallas Secret Service agent) which were then flown to Washington. Zapruder kept the original and one copy. He showed that original to the media on Satur day. This is what Rather and the others saw. At no time was that original in the hands of the government. So there was *no opportunity* for it to be altered before Time/Life purchased it.
Here is Rather:
Michael T. Griffith:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on July 09, 2025, 05:46:55 PM ---Yeah, they swear by images and then disregard eyewitness testimony that conflicts with those same images. Personally, I am always astounded at the Missing Images that nobody asks about. Where are there any image(s) of SA Lem Johns jumping out of the LBJ SS Car and then running down Elm St. toward the JFK Limo? Where are there any image(s) of DPD Motorcycle Officer Hargis running across Elm St and then running up to "that wall", "little brick wall"? Those images are missing and nobody questions why we have this Gaping Black Hole. Interestingly, Officer Hargis's "little brick wall" is also where Gordon Arnold claimed he got kicked around by the "No Hat Cop". Images of Gordon Arnold are also nowhere to be found.
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And here's another real kicker of a fact: AP journalist James Altgens, who took the famous Altgens photos, said that the head shot he witnessed knocked JFK forward, that he never saw the violent backward motion seen in the Zapruder film, and that he believed the backward motion was an "optical illusion," as I also discuss in "Evidence of Alteration in the Zapruder Film." I quote from my segment on Altgens' telling statements on the subject:
Newsman James Altgens, who was standing near Elm Street to photograph the
motorcade, told CBS in 1967 that when JFK was shot in the head, he was knocked
forward and was dislodged from the seat cushion. Said Altgens,
"And as they got close to me, and I was prepared to make the picture, I had my
camera almost at eye level; that’s when the president was shot in the head. And I
do know the president was still in an upright position, tilted, favoring Mrs.
Kennedy. And at the time that he was struck by this blow to the head, it was so
obvious that it came from behind. It had to come from behind because it caused
him to bolt forward, dislodging him from his impression in the seat cushion. . . .
(David Mantik, JFK’s Head Wounds: A Final Synthesis – And a New Analysis of the
Harper Fragment, Amazon Kindle, 2015, p. 125)
Altgens told JFK scholar and medical researcher Milicent Cranor that he did not see
JFK knocked backward, and that he believed that JFK’s violent backward motion in the
Zapruder film was an “optical illusion” (Mantik, JFK’s Head Wounds, p. 125).
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on July 10, 2025, 03:09:32 PM ---And here's another real kicker of a fact: AP journalist James Altgens, who took the famous Altgens photos, said that the head shot he witnessed knocked JFK forward, that he never saw the violent backward motion seen in the Zapruder film, and that he believed the backward motion was an "optical illusion," as I also discuss in "Evidence of Alteration in the Zapruder Film." I quote from my segment on Altgens' telling statements on the subject:
Newsman James Altgens, who was standing near Elm Street to photograph the
motorcade, told CBS in 1967 that when JFK was shot in the head, he was knocked
forward and was dislodged from the seat cushion. Said Altgens,
"And as they got close to me, and I was prepared to make the picture, I had my
camera almost at eye level; that’s when the president was shot in the head. And I
do know the president was still in an upright position, tilted, favoring Mrs.
Kennedy. And at the time that he was struck by this blow to the head, it was so
obvious that it came from behind. It had to come from behind because it caused
him to bolt forward, dislodging him from his impression in the seat cushion. . . .
(David Mantik, JFK’s Head Wounds: A Final Synthesis – And a New Analysis of the
Harper Fragment, Amazon Kindle, 2015, p. 125)
Altgens told JFK scholar and medical researcher Milicent Cranor that he did not see
JFK knocked backward, and that he believed that JFK’s violent backward motion in the
Zapruder film was an “optical illusion” (Mantik, JFK’s Head Wounds, p. 125).
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Griffith,
Do you agree with Storing that the Zapruder film was heavily altered by the evil, evil bad guys?
Michael T. Griffith:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on July 10, 2025, 04:32:11 PM ---Griffith,
Do you agree with Storing that the Zapruder film was heavily altered by the evil, evil bad guys?
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I take it you haven't bothered to read my article "Evidence of Alteration in the Zapruder Film," which I've mentioned several times now.
LINK: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YOK_7uLe49zgXADGQxkIH1dmaEcpyaWd/view
FYI, former ARRB senior staffer Doug Horne has asked dozens of film industry experts, via Thom Whitehead and Sydney Wilkinson, to examine the Zapruder film, and the vast majority have concluded the film has been edited:
--- Quote ---Of approximately 75 film industry professionals who have viewed their high resolution digital scans of the Zapruder film since the year 2008, 72 of them have expressed the opinion that the film has been altered. (https://safe.menlosecurity.com/doc/docview/viewer/docNF6F0A5F62C8Dc20c23f9cbefbc02a95ed7616e383faef89c69202d5b0e0448d2de20492d995c)
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Over 40 witnesses from all over Dealey Plaza said the limousine stopped or markedly slowed, yet no such action is seen in the Zapruder film. Are you going to argue that these witnesses amazingly experienced a mass hallucination?
Jack Nessan:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on July 14, 2025, 04:19:42 PM ---I take it you haven't bothered to read my article "Evidence of Alteration in the Zapruder Film," which I've mentioned several times now.
LINK: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YOK_7uLe49zgXADGQxkIH1dmaEcpyaWd/view
FYI, former ARRB senior staffer Doug Horne has asked dozens of film industry experts, via Thom Whitehead and Sydney Wilkinson, to examine the Zapruder film, and the vast majority have concluded the film has been edited:
Over 40 witnesses from all over Dealey Plaza said the limousine stopped or markedly slowed, yet no such action is seen in the Zapruder film. Are you going to argue that these witnesses amazingly experienced a mass hallucination?
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“Over 40 witnesses from all over Dealey Plaza said the limousine stopped or markedly slowed, yet no such action is seen in the Zapruder film. Are you going to argue that these witnesses amazingly experienced a mass hallucination?”
What nonsense, completely wrong. It is noticeable not only in the Zapruder film but Nix and Muchmore films. The car noticeably slowing down is the impetus for SA Hill to jump off of the SS car and run to JFK’s limo. Maybe it is time to write a new tripe filled article.
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