John Orr's analysis of the shots

[Jack Nessan]

WOW! Just WOW!. The magazine follower and magazine can also be replaced. They could be placed in a different Carcano. CE-543 was positively matched to LHO's rifle by the bolt markings on it.  I am not misunderstanding Frazier at all. Thompson falsely claimed that the only mark borne by the dented case, linking it to Oswald's rifle, could not have been incurred on November 22.

The lip indentation is what Thompson was referring to. That indentation was duplicated by the HSCA firearms panel during their test-firing of Oswald's rifle. There was no other indention on CE-143. You made one up.

Three shots were fired. Your two shots scenario is loopy. It is contradicted by the evidence.

You never read the Six Seconds in Dallas pages about what he wrote, or you would not be stating this:

"There was no other indention on CE-143. You made one up."


Because what you just stated, that is his whole point. It is either you never read it or you are afraid to admit what he observed. It appears you are having a panic attack over CE 543 and it having been used for dry firing.

There is great deal of evidence of only two shots. There is no evidence of three shots. Josiah Thompson’s observation is the final nail in the coffin of three shots. Maybe you are justified in having a panic attack. The one thing you can never say is you don’t know the answer, you just chose to pretend ignorance and ignore it.

[Tim Nickerson]

Does that count the shot at Z-157?

I say that the shot was a few Zframes before 157. But yes. It counts that early shot.

[Jarrett Smith]

You never read the Six Seconds in Dallas pages about what he wrote, or you would not be stating this:

"There was no other indention on CE-143. You made one up."


Because what you just stated, that is his whole point. It is either you never read it or you are afraid to admit what he observed. It appears you are having a panic attack over CE 543 and it having been used for dry firing.

There is great deal of evidence of only two shots. There is no evidence of three shots. Josiah Thompson’s observation is the final nail in the coffin of three shots. Maybe you are justified in having a panic attack. The one thing you can never say is you don’t know the answer, you just chose to pretend ignorance and ignore it.

What about Harold Norman? Right below on the fifth floor and heard three shots.

[Jack Nessan]

What about Harold Norman? Right below on the fifth floor and heard three shots.

What about him? Quote the other two also.

[Michael T. Griffith]

At the risk of seeming uninformed, I don’t recall ever having heard of John T. Orr before his name surfaced in connection with the Knott Lab animation “disproving” the SBT. I learned he had been with the Justice Department as an antitrust attorney and had been on an anti-SBT crusade since 1995. Since no one can locate the Knott "study," if there is one, I did a search for any research Orr might have published.

So would you say that David Von Pein has been on a "pro-SBT crusade" for the last 20 years?

For those who want to learn more about Knott Lab's historic, unprecedented SBT trajectory analysis, which does in fact disprove the SBT, below are some links with ample information on the analysis. It is worth repeating that if the Knott Lab study had confirmed the SBT, every single SBT believer would be shouting this from the rooftops and hailing the study as definitive proof of the SBT. They would point to Knott's excellent reputation and sterling record as a forensic engineering and digital reconstruction firm, and would point out that the firm has worked on other high-profile cases. They would point out that Knott's analysis was the most sophisticated SBT analysis ever done, and that it included an unprecedented amount of data, including the first digital replica of Dealey Plaza, thanks to Knott's laser scan of Dealey Plaza.

But, whoops, when SBT believers heard that the Knott analysis refuted the SBT, they erupted in spasms of panic and denunciation, even questioning Knott's credibility and expertise as a firm and calling the reconstruction animation a "cartoon."

https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-laboratory-presents-digital-reconstruction-and-findings-on-the-assassination-of-president-john-f-kennedy/

https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-lab-uses-forensic-science-to-refute-warren-commission-findings-on-jfk-assassination/

Knott Lab CEO Stanley Stoll explains the trajectory analysis in detail:

[Lance Payette]

So would you say that David Von Pein has been on a "pro-SBT crusade" for the last 20 years?

For those who want to learn more about Knott Lab's historic, unprecedented SBT trajectory analysis, which does in fact disprove the SBT, below are some links with ample information on the analysis. It is worth repeating that if the Knott Lab study had confirmed the SBT, every single SBT believer would be shouting this from the rooftops and hailing the study as definitive proof of the SBT. They would point to Knott's excellent reputation and sterling record as a forensic engineering and digital reconstruction firm, and would point out that the firm has worked on other high-profile cases. They would point out that Knott's analysis was the most sophisticated SBT analysis ever done, and that it included an unprecedented amount of data, including the first digital replica of Dealey Plaza, thanks to Knott's laser scan of Dealey Plaza.

But, whoops, when SBT believers heard that the Knott analysis refuted the SBT, they erupted in spasms of panic and denunciation, even questioning Knott's credibility and expertise as a firm and calling the reconstruction animation a "cartoon."

https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-laboratory-presents-digital-reconstruction-and-findings-on-the-assassination-of-president-john-f-kennedy/

https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-lab-uses-forensic-science-to-refute-warren-commission-findings-on-jfk-assassination/

Knott Lab CEO Stanley Stoll explains the trajectory analysis in detail:

You miss the point. I would indeed say DVP has been on a LN narrative crusade for years, and I'm sure he would agree. My point with Orr was that, until recent years, the sole focus of his research was his four-shot scenario. All he has cared about has been the number and sequence of the shots.

Are you aware that Orr and Knott had a falling out and that Larry Schnapf, who is Orr's business partner in this project, has pretty much said to ignore Knott's work because he and Orr will be producing an animation that accurately reflects Orr's work?