The Huge Gates Theory

[Royell Storing]

In the still from the Martin film above it looks like the gates are closed but they're not.
When the gates are wide open they rest against the interior wall. The shadows of the diamond pattern on the gates can be seen being cast against the wall.

     I believe we are seeing the gate just as it was on the film footage of Euins & Brehm being loaded into Sawyers car, and "The Three Tramps" photo. The Gate is Closed/Ajar. If the gate in the background of this Martin Film still frame was "wide open", (inward), as Officer Mooney testified, there would Not be the Open Space to permit the placards to be casting the shadows Behind them.  There is obviously Open Space between the Placards and the shadows they are casting. Also, look at the Gate middle crossbar relative to the casing the Gate is attached to. There is very little angle between that crossbar and the door casing. That crossbar is running almost directly into the casing.

[James Hackerott]

     I believe we are seeing the gate just as it was on the film footage of Euins & Brehm being loaded into Sawyers car, and "The Three Tramps" photo. The Gate is Closed/Ajar. If the gate in the background of this Martin Film still frame was "wide open", (inward), as Officer Mooney testified, there would Not be the Open Space to permit the placards to be casting the shadows Behind them.  There is obviously Open Space between the Placards and the shadows they are casting. Also, look at the Gate middle crossbar relative to the casing the Gate is attached to. There is very little angle between that crossbar and the door casing. That crossbar is running almost directly into the casing.

Royell, it appears to me from the animation that the eastern gate was rotated about 14 degrees from the wall at 12:40.

[Royell Storing]

  JAMES - Thanks for posting that animated visual aid. Remember that the Huge Gates were attached to the side of the TSBD.  I do not believe the placard shadows are being cast onto "the wall"/"the side" of the TSBD. This is throwing off the animation measurements being posted. Those placard shadows look like they are being cast onto something stacked there. No side of the TSBD resembles what we are seeing on the Martin Film. There are dock doors on that same side of the TSBD 1st floor. Dock doors possibly being built into what we are seeing on the Martin Film? I don't think so.

[Tom Graves]

JAMES - Thanks for posting that animated visual aid. Remember that the Huge Gates were attached to the side of the TSBD.  I do not believe the placard shadows are being cast onto "the wall"/"the side" of the TSBD. This is throwing off the animation measurements being posted. Those placard shadows look like they are being cast onto something stacked there. No side of the TSBD resembles what we are seeing on the Martin Film. There are dock doors on that same side of the TSBD 1st floor. Dock doors possibly being built into what we are seeing on the Martin Film? I don't think so.

Storing,

What are you trying to say?

[Royell Storing]

  I am saying we are Not seeing a common wall between the TSBD and the Huge Gates. We are probably looking at something that is stacked there. Maybe something staged for for loading onto a truck? The degree numbers are based on that being the common wall. It is not.

[James Hackerott]

  JAMES - Thanks for posting that animated visual aid. Remember that the Huge Gates were attached to the side of the TSBD.  I do not believe the placard shadows are being cast onto "the wall"/"the side" of the TSBD. This is throwing off the animation measurements being posted. Those placard shadows look like they are being cast onto something stacked there. No side of the TSBD resembles what we are seeing on the Martin Film. There are dock doors on that same side of the TSBD 1st floor. Dock doors possibly being built into what we are seeing on the Martin Film? I don't think so.

Royell, to model your theory of a space between the east gate at its fully open position I modeled the effect of the space by incrementally moving the east gate westward, thus generating a variable space between the gate and the “wall”. At each increment I animated the gates rotation until it gave a shadow pattern similar to that of Martin_Euins fillm. I did this procedure for simulated space increments up to 12”.

The data shows that the larger the space the smaller amount of gate rotation is required to compare with Martin_Euins shadow patterns. Thus, the maximum rotation falls at about 14 degrees.

[Royell Storing]

  I understand the method you used. It is my position that we are Not seeing the TSBD "Exterior Wall" on the Martin Film. The placard shadows on the Martin Film are falling onto something that is "stacked" between the TSBD Exterior Wall and the East  Gate. This stacked material decreases the "open space" your model is using to match-up the shadows with the Martin Film. The Martin Film "placard shadows" are being cast onto something that does Not resemble any of the other exterior sides of the TSBD.