The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish

[Dan O'meara]

O'meara,

Perhaps you didn't understand what I wrote.

I'll try to rephrase it for you so you can understand.

Oswald was standing and awkwardly leaning forward at the 1/3-open window for his first, sharply-downward-angled, missing-everything shot which sounded different than his other two shots because the muzzle of his Carcano was just inside the building.

Oswald ejected the spent cartridge from his Carcano while he was still standing. That ejected shell didn't bounce off the stack of boxes behind him but flew unhindered all the way down to the stack of boxes to his right.

Oswald knelt and rested his left elbow / forearm on the top box for his next two shots, during which the muzzle of his Carcano was outside the building. When he ejected those two shells from his kneeling position, they bounced off the stack of boxes behind him and ended up under the window.

The different sound of the first shot, the fact that it missed everything, and the ejection pattern of the three spent shells suggest that this is what happened.

A scientific analysis of the conscious reactions of seven witnesses (including JFK, Jackie, and Governor Connally) by Roselle and Scearce in 2020 suggests that the first shot was fired half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133 (after a 17-second pause), and that Oswald, therefore, took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza.

Understand yet?

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Pinko

There's no need to get so aggro just because someone disagrees with you.
You cut off any opportunity for debate or discussion.
Which is understandable as you don't have a clue what you're talking about and would only end up being made an even bigger fool of.
Have a read through "The First Shot" thread and do yourself a favour.

Oswald was standing and awkwardly leaning forward at the 1/3-open window

Hmmm...the window was 1/3 open you say.
I took a couple of close-ups of the sniper's window and put them side-by-side and drew a couple of rough lines to demonstrate how open the window actually was:



You'll obviously disagree but it looks more like 1/4 open to me.
I wonder why you tried to make the window seem more open than it actually was...?
It's also worth noting that the bottom of the open window is pretty much in line with the cross strut of the adjacent window.
It's also worth noting that this image is from the part of the Hughes film where the limo is about to pass in front of the TSBD building but the awkwardly stood Oswald is nowhere to be seen.

Keeping in mind that the bottom of the open window is pretty much in line with the cross strut of the adjacent window:



The red line represents the bottom of the open window (this set of windows is an accurate facsimile of the sniper's window and, as such, can be used to illustrate my point).
The guy on the left with his hands behind his back represents Oswald stood by the window.
Is it even possible to get the end of the rifle out of the window?
Is it possible to aim at anything, anywhere outside, let alone in the middle of the street?
It is fairly obvious to anyone with the slightest bit of common sense that no shooter would think for a second of taking a shot stood up. It simply would not happen.
The arrangement of boxes known as the Sniper's Perch make it abundantly clear that the shooter had pre-planned to take a shot from a sitting or crouching position.
The Sniper's Perch also tells us where the shooter had pre-planned to take the shot. This is the view from the Sniper's Nest looking in the direction the boxes were arranged to rest the rifle on:



In the foreground is the oak tree.
The shooter would be waiting for the limo to clear the oak tree before taking the first shot (pretty much where the white car is in the picture). The red circle represents the area where there would have been the least amount of lateral movement of the target - JFK's head.

There is confirmation that this is the general area the shooter had pre-planned as the 'kill zone' from the testimony of Ronald Fischer:

"The man held my attention for 10 or 15 seconds, because he appeared uncomfortable for one, and, secondly, he wasn’t watching-uh-he didn’t look like he was watching for the parade. He looked like he was looking down toward the Trinity River and the triple underpass down at the end-toward the end of Elm Street. And-uh-all the time I watched him, he never moved his head, he neverhe never moved anything. Just was there transflxed.

Seconds before the motorcade entered Dealey Plaza, Fischer was looking at the man in the Sniper's Nest who was staring "transfixed" in the direction of the triple underpass while everyone else was anticipating the arrival of the motorcade. This is surely the shooter 'visualising' the kill zone.

[Tom Graves]

Pinko [...]

Pinko?

By spreading KGB*-approved JFKA conspiracy theories, it's you who could be called a "Pinko" here, not me.

*Today's SVR and FSB

Earlier you posted:

"I doubt it's even possible to stand by a half-closed window in that small space and hit a target on the road."

Now you're changing it to 1/4-open.

Okay. Works for me.

Scroll down to page 18 and see how steeply-downward-angled Oswald's first shot was.

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[Zeon Mason]

This idea that Oswald was standing up at the window aiming at JFK and then MISSES  ENTIRE CAR??

It’s already been demonstrated by Charles homemade mock up of the TSBD 6th floor SN how easy it would be for the shooter to sit on the box beside the pipes and then lean over to rest the rifle on top of the stacked boxes.

I disagree however , that it was an early 1st shot before Z186 caused by accidental squeezing of the trigger or the shooter jolted his arm on the boxes disrupting his aim. Plus, Betzner nor Willis heard a loud rifle shot before Z186.

The timing of Z224 as the FIRST shot makes more sense as it coincides with time required for the shooter leaning over, placing rifle on the stacked box, and taking time to acquire the moving target in the scope reticle or iron sight, waiting for clearance of tree branches in the way and then firing a well aimed 1st shot that hit JFK only slightly below his head in his upper back.

That’s a pretty good 1st shot at Z224 from the SN 72 ft above, aiming downward at  a target accelerating to 15 mph , the closer distance requiring a more difficult tracking of the target than at the farther distance at Z313 when that target had slowed down  to 8mph and the angle was less steep.

The 2nd shot was Z313 taken by the shooter who took 4.8 seconds to aim his final last 2 shots which were the 2nd shot at Z313 and 3rd shot following afterwards either 2 seconds later if the rifle used was bolt action, or 0.5-1 sec later if the shooter was using a semi auto rifle.

If the rifle was bolt action, then the 3rd shot taken by the shooter about 2.0 secs after Z313 which completely missed the limo and hit curb near Tague , is somewhat of a mystery why the shooter would fire that shot not aiming.

If however, the rifle used by the shooter was a semi auto , there is a plausible reason for the 3rd shot missing due to muzzle rise effect when
firing 2 shots rapidly. So when the shooter takes his final aimed shot it’s actually a 2 shot rapid fire, which increases the probability of hitting the target. In this case , the Z313 shot hit the head and the 3rd shot 0.5 -1 sec later, went slightly higher (due to muzzle rise effect )  to clear the limo windshield and hit the curb near Tague.
 
The way that Lee Bowers demonstrated his impression of the spacing of the last 2 shots by rapping his hand on the desk, is so quick as rule out a bolt action rifle and more consistent with a 0.5-1.0 sec 3rd shot following Z313 shot, which could only be a semi auto rifle ( presuming only one shooter).

Otherwise, to explain this impression by 2/3rd majority of ear witnesses of the last 2 shots fired almost simultaneously or with only a fraction of a sec between them, would require a 2nd shooter.

The  closest ear witness, Harold Norman spaced all the 3 shots fired in less than 4 secs (imo) judging from  his “boom click click” sequence which he demonstrated in his recorded interviews.

[Jarrett Smith]

The first of the three clearly audible shots passed through both JFK and JBC between z222 and z223.
The second shot was the head shot, between z312 and z313.

The mountain of evidence supporting this claim can be found at "The First Shot" thread - https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2723.msg98813.html#msg98813

First of 4 shots was around z-160

[Dan O'meara]

First of 4 shots was around z-160

'Head turns' are, by far, the most rubbish argument put forward for shots being fired.
It's a motorcade, there are people on either side of the limo looking to catch the attention of the occupants. It's safe to say that all through the entire motorcade the occupants are constantly turning their heads to each other or things happening outside the limo.
I find it amazing that people are still using this method to determine when a shot occurred.
It is a really weak argument.

The clips you posted are an excellent example of how mistaken this watery method is.
At this point in the Z-film both the Connallys and the Kennedys turn their heads to the right.
All of them.
It is well reported that this is in response to Mary Woodward and her friends calling out to catch the attention of the President and his wife. All four occupants turn and look in the direction of Woodward and co.
JFK then smiles and waves in their direction - a curious response if you are trying to argue that he is responding to the sound of a shot.

As is so often the case in "The First Shot" thread, arguments for a shot earlier than z222/z223 often end up being arguments in favour of this timing and this is the case here. Later in the day Woddward writes an article about what she witnessed:

"Four of us from Women’s News, Maggie Brown, Aurelia Alonzo, my roommate Ann Donaldson, and myself had decided to spend our lunch hour by going to see the President...The President was looking straight ahead and we were afraid we would not get to see his face. But we started clapping and cheering and both he and Mrs. Kennedy turned, and smiled and waved, directly at us, it seemed. Jackie was wearing a beautiful pink suit with beret to match. Two of us, who had seen the President last during the final weeks of the 1960 campaign, remarked almost simultaneously how relaxed and robust he looked. As it turned out, we were almost certainly the last faces he noticed in the crowd. After acknowledging our cheers, he faced forward again and suddenly there was a horrible, ear-shattering noise coming from behind us and a little to the right."

In the clip you posted, JFK turns to his right to acknowledge Woodward and her colleagues. He smiles and waves at them and, according to Woodward, he then turns to face forward and it is at this time that the first shot occurs.

Ann Atterberry nee Donaldson (one of Woodward's colleagues stood with her)

(2-17-09 post by Honorfligh...@Aol.com, found on the alt.assassination.JFK newsgroup, in which he/she discusses an encounter with Donaldson circa 1988) (As to whether he/she had ever had personal contact with an eyewitness) "I have spoken with one, Ann Atterberry, about 21 years ago. Ann described for us in still mournful detail that approximately one second or so before she heard the first very loud shot, JFK then Jackie were both looking towards her and she was absolutely thrilled by that. JFK had also started waving towards her (which thrilled Ann even more) and then JFK made direct eye contact with Ann, THEN the first of 3 shots happened, and JFK immediately quickly reacted to being hit.

Quotes from Pat Speer's website.

[Royell Storing]

 You guys continue relying on the Current Zapruder Film. How about the Zapruder Film that Dan Rather watched and then reported Live to the nation the weekend after the assassination? Per Rather, that Zapruder Film showed Gov Connally being "HIT" in the chest when he was turned around toward JFK/TSBD. The Z Film was privately owned and under lock-n-key for 12 years. As evidence it is worthless.