The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish

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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2025, 10:30:36 AM »
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The anomaly-replete* assassination of JFK was committed by a psychologically disturbed former Marine sniper and U-2 radar operator by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald.

This is a strong theory and has a lot going for it

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*Oswald's missing everything with his first, steeply-downward-angled shot, JFK's reacting more quickly than JBC to being hit by CE-399 because his spinal column was nicked, JFK's being obscurred by the Stemmons Freeway sign in the Zapruder film, Zapruder's pausing his filming for about 17 seconds before resuming at Z-133, Oswald's being able to avoid being seen or heard on his way down to the second-floor lunchroom, Viki Adam's not remembering how long she and Sandra Styles hung out at the window on the 4th floor and then spoke with their supervisor before heading down the stairs, Buell Wesley Frazier's inability (or unwillingness) to correctly remember the length of the paper bag that contained Oswald's disassembled Carcano, JBC's being influenced by his wife to believe that he and JFK were hit by different shots, etc., etc., etc.

"*Oswald's missing everything with his first, steeply-downward-angled shot,"

Nonsense.
"steeply-downward-angled shot"  :D

"JFK's reacting more quickly than JBC to being hit"

Nonsense.

"hit by CE-399"

Nonsense.

" Viki Adam's not remembering how long she and Sandra Styles hung out at the window on the 4th floor"

Nonsense.

"and then spoke with their supervisor before heading down the stairs,"

Citation please.

"JBC's being influenced by his wife to believe that he and JFK were hit by different shots,"

Nonsense.

You clearly know nothing about the assassination.

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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2025, 10:30:36 AM »


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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2025, 10:36:26 AM »
  Well, let's see. I have Proven that those 2 Huge Gates were "Wide Open" per Officer Luke Mooney's WC Testimony, the Towner Film, and the Couch Film (reverse negative). Those Huge Gates were "Wide Open" before, during, and after the Kill Shot. This clearly proves MORE than 1 person was involved in the JFK Assassination. Somebody, (Oswald) had to open those gates, and then someone had to monitor the gates so they were Not closed before being used to exit the TSBD. Those wide open huge gates prove a Conspiracy all by themselves.

Hate to burst your bubble, Royell, but I dealt with the "Huge Gates" years ago and in much more detail than you have.
It's in this thread - https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3078.msg119172.html#msg119172
It starts at Reply#559, read on from there.

All it proves is that the building was not locked down properly. That's all.
It does NOT prove that more than one person was involved in the assassination.
These gates were not closed for at least ten minutes. More importantly, the door to the west of the TSBD building wasn't secured at any point during the day. People could come and go as they pleased through this entrance.

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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2025, 10:41:25 AM »
Maybe not professional, but they got the job done with four shots, and yes luck was on their side.

So, you agree the assassination was not professional. That's the point I was making.
It was not carried out by someone hired/contracted for their specific skill as a marksman.
It would appear to be carried out by someone familiar with rifles but not particularly skilled.

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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2025, 11:01:14 AM »
One interesting thing about the Grassy Knoll is that it is usually depicted from the Elm St. perspective where it appears to offer a secluded shooting location.  In fact, on the backside of the fence/treeline it is wide open to half of Dallas.  It is the very last place that anyone would put themselves with a rifle.

Agreed.
Because there was hardly anyone in this area during the actual shooting a lot of 'researchers' fail to grasp that no-one knew prior to the shooting that this would be the case.
They never consider the actual planning stage of their pet theory.
The area around the GK could have been swarming with hundreds of people. The car park was completely wide open, as we can see below.
Nobody, in their right mind, would plan to take a shot from behind the picket fence as they would have absolutely no idea as to how many people would be in this area on the day. It's a ludicrous notion.


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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2025, 11:22:01 AM »
While I tend to agree with the main point of the first post, I think that often times we can create conditions where “luck” becomes more likely to happen. The limited time that the assassin apparently had to plan his ambush made things more difficult. Especially for him to “cover his tracks.” However, consider the items he managed to get accomplished in order to be able to get three shots off before anyone could stop him.

1.  He managed to retrieve the rifle and sneak it into the TSBD without any apparent suspicions being voiced before the assassination. This is even though he didn’t drive and had to hitch a ride from BWF.

2.  He planned his ambush to be from behind and above the target. This gave him not only the element of surprise, but also maximized the time he would have to fire multiple shots.

3.  He managed to find and select a position that was visually well shielded from both outside and inside the TSBD. While sitting on the box seat, he was also able to stay out of sight of the SS agents as they approached the TSBD on Houston Street by simply sitting up straight. The boxes in the window would have made it more difficult for any of the SS agents to see him even if they had looked back at that window during the shooting. And keeping his position essentially initially undetected by LEOs he was able to then have a reasonable chance to escape after the assassination.

4.  This position was also well selected for having a “kill zone” where the target was moving almost directly away from him. This substantially increased his chances of hitting the target.

5. His ability to act calm and blend in with other people after the assassination helped his escape efforts (for a while). This was lost after the Tippit murder and all the frantic police activity in the area and subsequently led to his capture.

I think you're missing the point I was making about the very large element of luck involved in the actual shooting.
In a professional hit, luck is not a factor.
The head shot is an easy shot for a professional. The distances involved are small and there is only minimal lateral movement of the target. To miss the limo completely is not an option for a professional. Even the shot that passes through JFK's throat is a 'miss' as the target is the head.
There is then, at the very minimum, a period of 5 seconds between the non-fatal throat shot and the fatal head shot. This is where the large slice of luck comes in because anything could've happened in this interval that could have rendered the head shot impossible to take.
Luckily, for the shooter, JFK stayed upright and no-one came to his assistance.

I'm surprised that the sloppy and amateurish nature of the assassination isn't used more often by those who believe Oswald was the shooter.

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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2025, 11:22:01 AM »


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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2025, 06:54:34 PM »
Hate to burst your bubble, Royell, but I dealt with the "Huge Gates" years ago and in much more detail than you have.
It's in this thread - https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3078.msg119172.html#msg119172
It starts at Reply#559, read on from there.

All it proves is that the building was not locked down properly. That's all.
It does NOT prove that more than one person was involved in the assassination.
These gates were not closed for at least ten minutes. More importantly, the door to the west of the TSBD building wasn't secured at any point during the day. People could come and go as they pleased through this entrance.

        The link provided above jumps into the middle of the story of the Huge Gates. On top of that, those images show The Gates to be only "ajar". They are not "Wide Open". This is what happens when you jump into the middle of a mystery. You routinely still have a mystery on your hands. The images above were captured After the Kill Shot. What do we know about the status of The Gates before the Kill Shot was fired? Look at the Towner Film as the JFK Limo is turning from Houston St onto Elm St. Where The Gates are supposed to be, we see nothing but a Square Black Hole. Why is that? It is because The Gates and the bright placards on them are Not There. The 2 Huge Gates are "Wide Open" at this point in time prior to the Kill Shot. And for the record, both Gates open INWARD.  If you look at a reverse negative of the Couch Film, those Huge Gates are still "Wide Open" (inward), about 30 seconds after the Kill Shot. We see on the Martin Film showing Euins on the back of Officer Harkness 3 wheel motorcycle, that The Gates are only "ajar" at this point in time. The 2 gates then are roughly 2 feet apart from each other. This would be at about 6 or 7 minutes after the Kill Shot. Officer Harkness gave WC Testimony verifying his making a 12:36 police radio transmission regarding his having a witness, (Euins), with respect to seeing shot(s) fired from the TSBD. (Mandatory to read/know sworn testimony if you seriously want to solve this case). So, how did the Huge Gates go from being "Wide Open" on the Towner Film to simply being "ajar" on the Martin Film at 12:36-12:37?  Officer Luke Mooney gave WC Testimony that he and 2 other officers found those Huge Gates were "Wide Open" as they walked down the Elm St Extension. The 3 officers were inside the train yard when they received orders to secure the TSBD, and they headed down the Elm Ext to do such when they found The Gates "Wide Open". They walked through The Gates and then the 3 of them "Closed" the gates, but they did Not lock them shut. This then puts the Gates in their "ajar" status. (Martin Film). Mooney and the 2 officers then entered the TSBD from the other side of these Huge Gates. Their entry into the TSBD 1st floor found them extremely close to the Stairwell and the Freight Elevators. The 2 officers went up the stairwell while Mooney used the freight elevator. This was the shooter(s) avenue of escape from the TSBD. Straight down the stairwell and then just feet away from walking through the "Wide Open" Huge Gates and mingling into the shocked crowd on the Elm Ext and around the TSBD.                 
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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2025, 09:26:27 PM »
        The link provided above jumps into the middle of the story of the Huge Gates. On top of that, those images show The Gates to be only "ajar". They are not "Wide Open". This is what happens when you jump into the middle of a mystery. You routinely still have a mystery on your hands. The images above were captured After the Kill Shot. What do we know about the status of The Gates before the Kill Shot was fired? Look at the Towner Film as the JFK Limo is turning from Houston St onto Elm St. Where The Gates are supposed to be, we see nothing but a Square Black Hole. Why is that? It is because The Gates and the bright placards on them are Not There. The 2 Huge Gates are "Wide Open" at this point in time prior to the Kill Shot. And for the record, both Gates open INWARD.  If you look at a reverse negative of the Couch Film, those Huge Gates are still "Wide Open" (inward), about 30 seconds after the Kill Shot. We see on the Martin Film showing Euins on the back of Officer Harkness 3 wheel motorcycle, that The Gates are only "ajar" at this point in time. The 2 gates then are roughly 2 feet apart from each other. This would be at about 6 or 7 minutes after the Kill Shot. Officer Harkness gave WC Testimony verifying his making a 12:36 police radio transmission regarding his having a witness, (Euins), with respect to seeing shot(s) fired from the TSBD. (Mandatory to read/know sworn testimony if you seriously want to solve this case). So, how did the Huge Gates go from being "Wide Open" on the Towner Film to simply being "ajar" on the Martin Film at 12:36-12:37?  Officer Luke Mooney gave WC Testimony that he and 2 other officers found those Huge Gates were "Wide Open" as they walked down the Elm St Extension. The 3 officers were inside the train yard when they received orders to secure the TSBD, and they headed down the Elm Ext to do such when they found The Gates "Wide Open". They walked through The Gates and then the 3 of them "Closed" the gates, but they did Not lock them shut. This then puts the Gates in their "ajar" status. (Martin Film). Mooney and the 2 officers then entered the TSBD from the other side of these Huge Gates. Their entry into the TSBD 1st floor found them extremely close to the Stairwell and the Freight Elevators. The 2 officers went up the stairwell while Mooney used the freight elevator. This was the shooter(s) avenue of escape from the TSBD. Straight down the stairwell and then just feet away from walking through the "Wide Open" Huge Gates and mingling into the shocked crowd on the Elm Ext and around the TSBD.               

This has got nothing to do with the topic of this thread so I'd like you to take it somewhere else, Royell.
I posted - "It starts at Reply#559, read on from there." - but you didn't read on, did you Royell?
Start your own thread about your Huge Gates mystery.
If you have anything to contribute to the topic of this thread feel free to do so.

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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2025, 03:14:21 AM »
This has got nothing to do with the topic of this thread so I'd like you to take it somewhere else, Royell.
I posted - "It starts at Reply#559, read on from there." - but you didn't read on, did you Royell?
Start your own thread about your Huge Gates mystery.
If you have anything to contribute to the topic of this thread feel free to do so.

    The moral of this story is that Knowing sworn testimony is vitally important to solving the JFK murder. It's easy to just examine the assassination images. This is what most people do.  It is laborious to read through the sworn testimonies and then retain them to memory for future reference when applicable. There are diamonds frequently buried deep within testimony. Diamonds were sprinkled within the Mooney testimony which broke the Huge Gates TSBD Entrance/Exit route wide open. The same was true with the diamonds I discovered in the Officer Haygood/Tague testimonies. Those and the photo of Haygood standing atop the Triple Underpass proved that we are Not seeing Officer Haygood on the Darnell Film. And now I am digging into #3.   ......................STAY TUNED  .......................... 

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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2025, 03:14:21 AM »