The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish

[Royell Storing]

 You still have posted absolutely Nothing to base your 60% figure on. If you're just grabbing that number outta thin air, it carries no weight. 

[Tom Graves]

You still have posted absolutely Nothing to base your 60% figure on. If you're just grabbing that number outta thin air, it carries no weight.

Storing,

I said about 60%.

But you have a good point.

Maybe he was "only" about 20% wrong.

LOL!

[Royell Storing]

 So what are you saying? About 80% accurate? About 90% accurate? Stay away from the numbers. It's obviously not your forte.

[Tom Graves]

So, what are you saying? About 80% accurate? About 90% accurate?

Storing,

Did you pull "90% accurate" out of thin air?

[Tom Graves]

   Your sentence currently under discussion was Not a declarative statement. It ended with a ?
   So now you want to inform this Forum what Rather remembers? "Carnac The Magnificent" you ain't.
   You are basing your 60% scoring of the Rather 1963 description of the Zapruder Film vs the Current Zapruder Film that we frequently view today. You really do Not know with certainty that Rather viewed the same/identical Z Film that we view today. You're assuming, and we all know what happens when making an assumption.

Storing,

Here's my hot-off-the-press transcription of Rather's 3-minute-and-27-second broadcast.

It appears as though he mistakenly believed that the limo was only about 35 yards from the base of the TSBD when CE-399 wounded both JFK and JBC (at approximately Z-222) when in fact it was about twice as far away from it.

Ironically, the limo was about 35 yards from the base of the TSBD and JFK was waving when Oswald's first shot was missing him (and everything else) at hypothetical "Z-124," i.e., about half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming (after a 17-second pause) at Z-133.

"The films we saw were taken by an amateur photographer who had a particularly good vantage point, just past the building from which the fatal shot was fired. The films show President Kennedy's open black limousine making a left turn off Houston Street onto Elm Street on the fringe of downtown Dallas, the left turn made just below the window at which the assassin was waiting. About 35 yards past the very base of the building, just below the window, President Kennedy could be seen to put his right hand up to the side of his head to either brush back his hair or perhaps rub his eyebrow. President Kennedy was sitting on the same side of the car as the building from which the shot came. Mrs. Kennedy was by his side. In the jump seat in front of him, Mrs. Connally and Governor Connally -- Governor Connally on the same side of the car as the President -- and in the front seat, two Secret Service men. Just as the President put that right hand up to the side of his head, he … you could see him lurch forward, the first shot had hit him. Mrs. Kennedy was looking in another direction and apparently didn't see or sense that first shot or didn't hear it. But Governor Connally, in the seat in front, appeared to have heard it, or at least sense that something was wrong. The governor's coat was open. He reached back in this fashion, exposing his white shirt front to the assassin’s window, he reached back as if to offer aid or ask the President something. At that moment, a shot clearly hit the Governor in the front and he fell back in the seat. Mrs. Connally immediately threw herself over him in a protective position. In the next instant, with this time Mrs. Kennedy apparently looking on, a second shot -- the third total shot -- hit the President’s head. He … his head could be seen to move violently forward . . . and Mrs. Kennedy stood up immediately. The President leaned over her way, it appeared that he might have brushed her legs. Mrs. Kennedy then literally went on the top of the trunk of the Lincoln car and put practically her whole body on the trunk -- it appeared she might  have been on her all fours, there -- reaching out for the Secret Service man, the lone Secret Service man who was riding on the bumper of the car, the back bumper on Mrs. Kennedy's side. The Secret Service man leaned forward and put his hands on Mrs. Kennedy's shoulder to push her back into the car – she was in some danger, it appeared, of rolling off or falling off. And we described this before -- there was some question about what we meant by Mrs. Kennedy’s being on the trunk of the car. Only she knows, but it appeared that she was trying desperately to get the Secret Service man's attention or perhaps to help pull him into the car. The car never stopped; it never paused. In the front seat, a secret serviceman was on the telephone. The car picked up speed and disappeared beneath an underpass."

[Dan O'meara]

  With respect to altering other assassination films, specifically what "other films" were shot from the (N) side of Elm St?

To be honest, Royell, you should really know that there were no "other films" shot from the north side of Elm Street. The only film that captured the moment of the assassination shot from the north side was the Zapruder film. It's quite shocking that you are not aware of such a basic fact.
The point I was making was that there were "other films" that captured the moment of the assassination. I should be surprised that you are not aware of the Nix film or the Muchmore film or the Bronson film. But I'm not surprised. Your ignorance regarding the assassination of JFK is quite profound as you've demonstrated time and time and time again.

And "Viva Zavada" was so late to this party that he is Not worth mentioning. Whatever he is looking at that point in time is 30+ years old.

 
Royell has spoken!!
The man regarded by some as the world's leading expert on Kodachrome II "is Not worth mentioning"!
The man who was one of the leading members of the team that invented Kodachrome II "is Not worth mentioning"!
You are so ignorant about the work of Roland Zavada it's funny.
You don't have the first clue.
Do some research for a change. Read the Zavada Report. Do some work.

But before you do that, please point everyone to the Dan Rather interview where he states that the film he saw was different from the Z-film we see today.
Where does Dan Rather explain the difference between his initial report of the Zapruder film and the Zapruder film we see today?
Now, I have to warn you...this is a trick question that you will not be able to answer without making yourself look foolish.
But go for it anyway.

[Dan O'meara]

Storing,

Here's my hot-off-the-press transcription of Rather's 3-minute-and-27-second broadcast.

It appears as though he mistakenly believed that the limo was only about 35 yards from the base of the TSBD when CE-399 wounded both JFK and JBC (at approximately Z-222) when in fact it was about twice as far away from it.

Ironically, the limo was about 35 yards from the base of the TSBD and JFK was waving when Oswald's first shot was missing him (and everything else) at hypothetical "Z-124," i.e., about half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming (after a 17-second pause) at Z-133.

"The films we saw were taken by an amateur photographer who had a particularly good vantage point, just past the building from which the fatal shot was fired. The films show President Kennedy's open black limousine making a left turn off Houston Street onto Elm Street on the fringe of downtown Dallas, the left turn made just below the window at which the assassin was waiting. About 35 yards past the very base of the building, just below the window, President Kennedy could be seen to put his right hand up to the side of his head to either brush back his hair or perhaps rub his eyebrow. President Kennedy was sitting on the same side of the car as the building from which the shot came. Mrs. Kennedy was by his side. In the jump seat in front of him, Mrs. Connally and Governor Connally -- Governor Connally on the same side of the car as the President -- and in the front seat, two Secret Service men. Just as the President put that right hand up to the side of his head, he … you could see him lurch forward, the first shot had hit him. Mrs. Kennedy was looking in another direction and apparently didn't see or sense that first shot or didn't hear it. But Governor Connally, in the seat in front, appeared to have heard it, or at least sense that something was wrong. The governor's coat was open. He reached back in this fashion, exposing his white shirt front to the assassin’s window, he reached back as if to offer aid or ask the President something. At that moment, a shot clearly hit the Governor in the front and he fell back in the seat. Mrs. Connally immediately threw herself over him in a protective position. In the next instant, with this time Mrs. Kennedy apparently looking on, a second shot -- the third total shot -- hit the President’s head. He … his head could be seen to move violently forward . . . and Mrs. Kennedy stood up immediately. The President leaned over her way, it appeared that he might have brushed her legs. Mrs. Kennedy then literally went on the top of the trunk of the Lincoln car and put practically her whole body on the trunk -- it appeared she might  have been on her all fours, there -- reaching out for the Secret Service man, the lone Secret Service man who was riding on the bumper of the car, the back bumper on Mrs. Kennedy's side. The Secret Service man leaned forward and put his hands on Mrs. Kennedy's shoulder to push her back into the car – she was in some danger, it appeared, of rolling off or falling off. And we described this before -- there was some question about what we meant by Mrs. Kennedy’s being on the trunk of the car. Only she knows, but it appeared that she was trying desperately to get the Secret Service man's attention or perhaps to help pull him into the car. The car never stopped; it never paused. In the front seat, a secret serviceman was on the telephone. The car picked up speed and disappeared beneath an underpass."

when CE-399 wounded both JFK and JBC

 

when Oswald's first shot was missing him (and everything else) at hypothetical "Z-124,

 

[Tom Graves]

when CE-399 wounded both JFK and JBC

 

when Oswald's first shot was missing him (and everything else) at hypothetical "Z-124,

 

As I said in another thread, there are all kinds of tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorists.

You're just one example, O'meara.