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The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
Dan O'meara:
As previously stated, using 'head turns' to determine whether or not a shot has been taken is really weak.
But there is an exception - if a group of witnesses expressly state that they turned there heads in a specific direction as a result of the first shot.
These are the statements of three of the SS agents travelling in the Presidential follow-up car regarding their actions as a result of the first shot:
Landis - "I heard what sounded like the report of a high-powered rifle from behind me, over my right shoulder...", "My first glance was at the President, as I was practically looking in his direction anyway...", "I immediately returned my gaze, over my right shoulder."
Ready - "I heard what appeared to be fire crackers going off from my position. I immediately turned to my right rear trying to locate the source but was not able to determine the exact location."
Hickey - "I heard what seemed to me that a firecracker exploded to the right and rear. I stood partially up and turned to the rear to see if I could observe anything. "
"over my right shoulder"..."right rear"..."right and rear".
This crop from Altgens 6 (thought to be taken at z255) shows the three men reacting exactly as stated, all looking to the right and rear.
However, the crop below from z207 shows the same agents all facing forward. There is no sign of any kind of a reaction to a first shot.
This image is taken over four and a half seconds after Tom's shot at the hypothetical z124
It is taken two and a half seconds after Jarrett's shot at z160
The first shot was described as "ear-splitting" and an "explosion".
The three agents would have spun around within a second of hearing it.
Yet z207 shows that no such reaction had taken place.
One must reasonably conclude from this evidence that the first shot did not occur as early z160, let alone earlier.
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on July 07, 2025, 11:13:32 PM --- Zavada Report was issued in the 90's. Dan Rather viewed the Z Film the very weekend of the JFK Assassination. Case Closed!
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:D :D Case Closed!
Roland Zavada, even in retirement, was considered the world's leading expert on the film used by Zapruder (Kodachrome II).
He was one of the heads of the team that actually developed this film.
He examined the original in forensic detail and produced a truly comprehensive report on it concluding that the Z-film was authentic and unaltered.
You, on the other hand, have a track record of not knowing what you're talking about.
Excuse me if I lean towards Zavada on this issue.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on July 07, 2025, 11:17:17 PM ---The first shot was described as "ear-splitting" and an "explosion."
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By everyone who heard it?
--- Quote ---The three agents would have spun around within a second of hearing it.
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Even if they thought it was just another motorcycle backfire?
--- Quote ---One must reasonably conclude from [the] evidence that the first shot did not occur as early z160, let alone earlier.
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From “Estimating Occult Timing of Surprise Gunshot Sounds in Silent Film via Observed Start of Human Voluntary Reactions of Concern” by Brian Roselle and Kenneth Scearce in “Journal of the Association of Crime Scene Reconstruction”; 2020
First number = Author A’s observation; Second number = Author B’s observation; Third number = average of the two. Numbers represent Zapruder frames.
Roy Kellerman -- Begins leaning over and looking behind/down to the right at 148, 148, 148
George Hickey -- Begins leaning over to the left looking down in the direction of the rear tire or tire at 144, 143, 143.5
John Connally -- Begins a quick head turn left (followed by quickly looking back right) at 151, 149, 150
Jackie Kennedy -- Starts accelerated head turning left, before looking back right. (Similar to John Connally’s L-R head motion but starts slightly earlier & ends slightly later than his) at 145, 142, 143.5
President Kennedy -- Starts a quick look to the left at 144, 142, 143.5
Nellie Connally -- Begins a quick sweeping head turn to the right at 146, 144, 145
Rosemary Willis -- Begins a quick look away from the Presidential limo back towards the Texas School Book Depository at 141, 139, 140
Rhetorical question: What are the chances that all five passengers (i.e., non-drivers) in an automobile would randomly move their heads within one-third of a second of each other?
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on July 07, 2025, 11:24:05 PM --- :D :D Case Closed!
Roland Zavada, even in retirement, was considered the world's leading expert on the film used by Zapruder (Kodachrome II).
He was one of the heads of the team that actually developed this film.
He examined the original in forensic detail and produced a truly comprehensive report on it concluding that the Z-film was authentic and unaltered.
You, on the other hand, have a track record of not knowing what you're talking about.
Excuse me if I lean towards Zavada on this issue.
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We are discussing what DAN RATHER reported to the World several times LIVE! This has nothing to do with me. Nice try.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on July 08, 2025, 03:06:59 AM ---We are discussing what DAN RATHER reported to the World several times LIVE! This has nothing to do with me. Nice try.
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Get over it, Storing.
Realizing that "nothing was happening" except for some boring motorcycles and a boring lead car, Zapruder paused filming at Z-132 for seventeen seconds in order to conserve precious film.
Not being anxious like you about catching JFK and Jackie on film for every possible nanosecond, he didn't resume filming until the limo was heading towards him on Elm Street.
Dan Rather, not realizing that it would be so important to a fringe minority of JFKA conspiracy theorists like you some sixty years later, used a little "poetic license" and fibbed a little when he said the film showed the limo's actually turning onto Elm.
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