The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish

[Jack Trojan]

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10406#relPageId=169

Ford did not relocate the entry wound of CE-399 from the back to the neck.

There's the denialism, right on cue.

CE-399 did not penetrate JFK's T1 vertebra. The first bone that it struck was Connally's rib. It struck it at a velocity that was well below that of the head shot bullet.

LOL. Your only response is that CE-399 struck 1 less bone, which kept it pristine. However, the evidence according to the WC says otherwise.

Here is a forensic analysis of the trajectory of CE-399 based on simple geometry and the WC report:

If CE-399 was a shot from the 6th floor of the TSBD at a 17-degree declination, and JFK's body was turned 17 degrees clockwise, with the missile striking JFK somewhere between frames 210 and 225 of the Z-film, marking his position between 138.9 and 153.8 feet from the base of the TSBD, then based on the autopsy photo, which the WC claims is authentic, CE-399 entered JFK's back ~2 inches right of the center of his spinal cord. The exit wound was positioned almost dead center out through his throat. This trajectory clearly passes through the spinal column:

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/MRI_MB_T1_8b.png

But what vertebra? The original Boswell forensic diagram initially placed the back wound vertically at T2 or T3, which Ford subsequently relocated to C6.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/boswell-original.png

Note where the bullet hole entrance was placed on JFK's jacket.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_clothing.jpg

I question Ford's placement and will adhere to Boswell's estimate that CE-399 should be placed at T1 according to the autopsy X-ray provided by the WC:

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/x-ray_mb.gif

Conclusion:

If you believe the evidence supplied by the WC to be accurate, then the Single Bullet Theory is compromised, which negates a valid trajectory from the 6th floor of the TSBD that entered JFK's back at the T1 vertebra and exited at C7/C6. This is based on evidence provided by the WC, which Ford definitively altered to cover up the conspiracy that Oswald was a lone nut assassin. Fact is, Oswald never even took a shot because he was in the lunch room at the time. Clearly he was just the patsy.

QED

[Tom Graves]

I continue to enjoy seeing LN's running away from the Autopsy Photo of JFK's BACK. They live and die with the JFK Assassination film/photo images as long as it suits their fancy. The JFK Autopsy Photo showing his BACK, issa Case Closed piece of Evidence regarding the location of that wound.

Storing,

Where did the measurements that the autopsy doctors wrote down on the autopsy cover sheet place the entrance wound, i.e.,"14 centimeters (about 5.5 inches) from the tip of the right acromion process* and 14 centimeters below the tip of the right mastoid process"?

Does that sound like 1) upper-back, or 2) lower-neck to you?

D'oh

*The acromion process is a bony projection located at the top of the shoulder blade (scapula). It extends laterally over the shoulder joint and forms the outer edge of the shoulder socket.

[Royell Storing]

 As usual, you guys wanna run away from the JFK Autopsy Photo of his BACK.  That piece of evidence is a slam dunk.

[Tom Graves]

As usual, you guys wanna run away from the JFK Autopsy Photo of his BACK.  That piece of evidence is a slam dunk.

Storing,

Do the measurements on the autopsy cover sheet, i.e., "14 centimeters from the tip of the right acromion process and 14 centimeters below the tip of the right mastoid process," place the entrance wound in JFK's upper back, or in his lower neck?

[Tim Nickerson]

LOL. Your only response is that CE-399 struck 1 less bone, which kept it pristine. However, the evidence according to the WC says otherwise.

My response was that CE-399 did not strike T1 and that it struck Connally's rib at a velocity that was much reduced from the velocity it was travelling as it passed by C7. The bullet was not pristine. The evidence according to the WC does not say otherwise.

Here is a forensic analysis of the trajectory of CE-399 based on simple geometry and the WC report:

If CE-399 was a shot from the 6th floor of the TSBD at a 17-degree declination, and JFK's body was turned 17 degrees clockwise, with the missile striking JFK somewhere between frames 210 and 225 of the Z-film, marking his position between 138.9 and 153.8 feet from the base of the TSBD, then based on the autopsy photo, which the WC claims is authentic, CE-399 entered JFK's back ~2 inches right of the center of his spinal cord. The exit wound was positioned almost dead center out through his throat. This trajectory clearly passes through the spinal column:

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/MRI_MB_T1_8b.png

That's the T1 vertebrae, is it not? The single bullet passed above that level. You need to find an image of C7. Keep in mind that the C7 vertebrae is about 2 inches from the tip of the left transverse process to the tip of the right transverse process. Use that as a guage for placing the wound 2 inches to the right of the midline. Your right rotation of Kennedy's torso looks to be about right. However, you haven't accounted for his head being turned about 60 degrees to the right. That turn rotates the C7 vertebrae by a few degrees. It also moves his trachea to the right. Perhaps as much as an inch.  With a lateral angle of 9 degrees the bullet would have exited Kennedy about 1 inch to the right of his midline. Contrary to what you claim, the exit wound was not positioned almost dead center out through the throat. Viewing from the back, it exited to the right of the midline.

But what vertebra? The original Boswell forensic diagram initially placed the back wound vertically at T2 or T3, which Ford subsequently relocated to C6.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/boswell-original.png

The facesheet placed the wound 14 cm below the tip of the right mastoid process. The dot was not meant to be accurate. Ford did not relocate the wound to C6.

Note where the bullet hole entrance was placed on JFK's jacket.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_clothing.jpg

The jacket was bunched up.

I question Ford's placement and will adhere to Boswell's estimate that CE-399 should be placed at T1 according to the autopsy X-ray provided by the WC:

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/x-ray_mb.gif

Conclusion:

If you believe the evidence supplied by the WC to be accurate, then the Single Bullet Theory is compromised, which negates a valid trajectory from the 6th floor of the TSBD that entered JFK's back at the T1 vertebra and exited at C7/C6. This is based on evidence provided by the WC, which Ford definitively altered to cover up the conspiracy that Oswald was a lone nut assassin. Fact is, Oswald never even took a shot because he was in the lunch room at the time. Clearly he was just the patsy.

There was no Ford placement. The wound was always in the neck. The autopsy report has the bullet traversing downward through the supra-scapular and supra-clavicular portions of the base of the right side of the neck. Humes testified that the wound was in the lower neck.

Commander HUMES - The wound in the low neck of which I had previously begun to speak is now posteriorly--is now depicted in 385, in 386 and in 388.
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Commander HUMES -  You will note that the wound in the posterior portion of the occiput on Exhibit 388 is somewhat longer than the other missile wound which we have not yet discussed in the low neck.
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Commander HUMES - I--our previously submitted report, which is Commission No. 387, identified a wound in the low posterior neck of the President.
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Commander HUMES - In attempting to relate findings within the President's body to this wound which we had observed low in his neck, we then opened his chest cavity,
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Commander HUMES - The report which we have submitted, sir, represents our thinking within the 24-48 hours of the death of the President, all facts taken into account of the situation.
The wound in the anterior portion of the lower neck is physically lower than the point of entrance posteriorly, sir.

[Jack Trojan]

My response was that CE-399 did not strike T1 and that it struck Connally's rib at a velocity that was much reduced from the velocity it was travelling as it passed by C7. The bullet was not pristine. The evidence according to the WC does not say otherwise.

LOL, more denialism. The X-ray absolutely demonstrates that CE-399 smashed through T1 exactly as my overhead graphic implies. You know you've lost the argument when you resort to semantics. Compared to the severely deformed fragments CE-567 and CE-569, CE-399 was indeed pristine, which was clearly planted on the wrong stretcher without a trace of blood, flesh, or bone on it. You are not a serious proponent of the SBT if you do not acknowledge the dubious provenance of CE-399. Will you never learn?

That's the T1 vertebrae, is it not? The single bullet passed above that level. You need to find an image of C7. Keep in mind that the C7 vertebrae is about 2 inches from the tip of the left transverse process to the tip of the right transverse process.

Like Ford, you at least recognize that T1 is too low for the SBT to be plausible. If you think that the autopsy photo and the X-ray photo show an entry wound at C7, then your slip is showing. Besides, even if you move the entry wound up to C7, you need it to go up to C6 for it to exit at C7. You suck at geometry.

* Note that providing the X-ray photo is authentic, then it represents the holy grail of the CE-399 trajectory

Use that as a guage for placing the wound 2 inches to the right of the midline. Your right rotation of Kennedy's torso looks to be about right. However, you haven't accounted for his head being turned about 60 degrees to the right. That turn rotates the C7 vertebrae by a few degrees. It also moves his trachea to the right. Perhaps as much as an inch. With a lateral angle of 9 degrees the bullet would have exited Kennedy about 1 inch to the right of his midline. Contrary to what you claim, the exit wound was not positioned almost dead center out through the throat. Viewing from the back, it exited to the right of the midline.

Actually, the bullet hole exited slightly to the left of the midline, which means it smashed through more of the T1 vertebra, not less. Have a look at the bullet hole through JFK's shirt collar.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_shirt.jpg

The facesheet placed the wound 14 cm below the tip of the right mastoid process. The dot was not meant to be accurate. Ford did not relocate the wound to C6.

Boswell backtracked as instructed by Ford. Ford's only statement described the placement of JFK's back wound as entering the back of his neck and exiting through the lower front portion of his neck. This implies that Ford placed the back wound above C7 at C6.

Did you notice where Boswell placed the "X" above his original estimate, which was still below C6, where Ford placed it? Note that Boswell placed the X BELOW the collar. Note where the bullet exited relative to the collar button at C7. Clearly, the entrance wound was placed BELOW the exit wound, which is impossible if fired at a 17-degree declination from the SN.

The jacket was bunched up.

Correct, which brought the back wound up from T4/T5 as shown on CE-59 up to T1 as shown on the X-ray autopsy photo.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_clothing.jpg

However, JFK's collar did not bunch, which placed the exit wound at C7/C6. This implies an upward trajectory from the back to front, which is impossible.

There was no Ford placement. The wound was always in the neck. The autopsy report has the bullet traversing downward through the supra-scapular and supra-clavicular portions of the base of the right side of the neck. Humes testified that the wound was in the lower neck.

LOL, you are quoting a co-conspirator who performed post-mortem surgery on JFK in secret to cover up a bullet wound, which was an entrance wound, and then burned all his notes.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/postsurgery.jpg

Why would you rely on testimony from co-conspirators when the WC provided autopsy photos clearly showing the position of the bullet wounds on JFK? Is it because the assassination was sloppy and amateurish with no attention to detail? Or was it because the WC did not anticipate the level of scrutiny the evidence would receive?

Will you never learn anything? I guess so.

[Tim Nickerson]

LOL, more denialism. The X-ray absolutely demonstrates that CE-399 smashed through T1 exactly as my overhead graphic implies. You know you've lost the argument when you resort to semantics. Compared to the severely deformed fragments CE-567 and CE-569, CE-399 was indeed pristine, which was clearly planted on the wrong stretcher without a trace of blood, flesh, or bone on it. You are not a serious proponent of the SBT if you do not acknowledge the dubious provenance of CE-399. Will you never learn?

What X-Ray are you referring to, and why did the Clark panel and the HSCA FPP fail to note that it shows that the bullet smashed though T1?

Tomlinson stated that he found the bullet on the stretcher that he had pulled off of the elevator. That was the stretcher that Connally had been on. The bullet likely had blood on it from being in Connally's thigh. By the time it reached FBI Agent Robert Frazier, it had been in the pockets of two individuals. Frazier testified that "there may have been slight traces which could have been removed just ,in ordinary handling, but it wasn't necessary to actually clean blood or tissue off of the bullet".

Like Ford, you at least recognize that T1 is too low for the SBT to be plausible. If you think that the autopsy photo and the X-ray photo show an entry wound at C7, then your slip is showing. Besides, even if you move the entry wound up to C7, you need it to go up to C6 for it to exit at C7. You suck at geometry.

* Note that providing the X-ray photo is authentic, then it represents the holy grail of the CE-399 trajectory

I don't recognize T1 as being too low for the SBT to work. I'm merely going by what the evidence says. The autopsy report has the bullet traversing downward through the supra-scapular and supra-clavicular portions of the base of the right side of the neck. Humes testified that the wound was in the lower neck.

Actually, the bullet hole exited slightly to the left of the midline, which means it smashed through more of the T1 vertebra, not less. Have a look at the bullet hole through JFK's shirt collar.

Dr. PERRY - I was in the Administrator's office here when he called.
Mr. SPECTER - And what did he ask you, if anything?
Dr. PERRY - He inquired about, initially, about the reasons for my doing a tracheotomy, and I replied, as I have to you, during this procedure, that there was a wound in the lower anterior third of the neck, which was exuding blood and was indicative of a possible tracheal injury underlying, and I did the tracheotomy through a transverse incision made through that wound, and I described to him' the right lateral injury to the trachea and the completion of the operation.

Boswell backtracked as instructed by Ford. Ford's only statement described the placement of JFK's back wound as entering the back of his neck and exiting through the lower front portion of his neck. This implies that Ford placed the back wound above C7 at C6.

Did you notice where Boswell placed the "X" above his original estimate, which was still below C6, where Ford placed it? Note that Boswell placed the X BELOW the collar. Note where the bullet exited relative to the collar button at C7. Clearly, the entrance wound was placed BELOW the exit wound, which is impossible if fired at a 17-degree declination from the SN.

Where do you get that Boswell backtracked as instructed by Ford?

Ford never placed the wound at C6. He never moved it anywhere. All that he did was recommend that wording in the draft report be altered to reflect what is in the autopsy report and what Humes testified to.

Correct, which brought the back wound up from T4/T5 as shown on CE-59 up to T1 as shown on the X-ray autopsy photo.

What X-Ray autopsy photo?

However, JFK's collar did not bunch, which placed the exit wound at C7/C6. This implies an upward trajectory from the back to front, which is impossible.

I can't make sense of what you're trying to say with that. It doesn't make sense.

LOL, you are quoting a co-conspirator who performed post-mortem surgery on JFK in secret to cover up a bullet wound, which was an entrance wound, and then burned all his notes.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/postsurgery.jpg

Why would you rely on testimony from co-conspirators when the WC provided autopsy photos clearly showing the position of the bullet wounds on JFK? Is it because the assassination was sloppy and amateurish with no attention to detail? Or was it because the WC did not anticipate the level of scrutiny the evidence would receive?

Will you never learn anything? I guess so.

Oh boy. You are in deep. Come up for air.

Humes copied his bloodied notes word for word before he burned them.