The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish

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Online Tom Graves

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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2025, 09:41:28 PM »
Because Oswald only fired three times, and there was a fourth shot from the front. Many of the witnesses heard the first at Z-224 and bang-bang at the time of the head shot. For this scenario to work no shot was fired at Z-160, but we have visual proof there was.

Where did this "fourth shot" come from?

Online Royell Storing

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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2025, 10:00:21 PM »
     61+ yrs later NOBODY has placed Oswald in that sniper's window or even on the TSBD 6th Floor at 12:30 PM. And now that I have proven the Huge Gates attached to the TSBD were "wide open", (Officer Luke Mooney WC Testimony), a possible shooter + spotter could have easily entered and exited the TSBD. Those "wide open" Huge Gates would mandate having a man on them to prevent their possibly being closed for whatever reason while the shooter + spotter were inside the TSBD. So we got a possible 2 men inside the sniper's nest + 1 man on the Huge Gates, + an Inside Man responsible for setting up the sniper's nest and opening the Huge Gates. Minimum 4 guys total. The JFK Assassination was Not "sloppy and amateurish". It was very well planned.   

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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2025, 10:03:13 PM »
61+ yrs later NOBODY has placed Oswald in that sniper's window or even on the TSBD 6th Floor at 12:30 PM. And now that I have proven the Huge Gates attached to the TSBD were "wide open", (Officer Luke Mooney WC Testimony), a possible shooter + spotter could have easily entered and exited the TSBD. Those "wide open" Huge Gates would mandate having a man on them to prevent their possibly being closed for whatever reason while the shooter + spotter were inside the TSBD. So we got a possible 2 men inside the sniper's nest + 1 man on the Huge Gates, + an Inside Man responsible for setting up the sniper's nest and opening the Huge Gates. Minimum 4 guys total. The JFK Assassination was Not "sloppy and amateurish". It was very well planned.   

Storing,

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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2025, 10:30:36 AM »
The anomaly-replete* assassination of JFK was committed by a psychologically disturbed former Marine sniper and U-2 radar operator by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald.

This is a strong theory and has a lot going for it

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*Oswald's missing everything with his first, steeply-downward-angled shot, JFK's reacting more quickly than JBC to being hit by CE-399 because his spinal column was nicked, JFK's being obscurred by the Stemmons Freeway sign in the Zapruder film, Zapruder's pausing his filming for about 17 seconds before resuming at Z-133, Oswald's being able to avoid being seen or heard on his way down to the second-floor lunchroom, Viki Adam's not remembering how long she and Sandra Styles hung out at the window on the 4th floor and then spoke with their supervisor before heading down the stairs, Buell Wesley Frazier's inability (or unwillingness) to correctly remember the length of the paper bag that contained Oswald's disassembled Carcano, JBC's being influenced by his wife to believe that he and JFK were hit by different shots, etc., etc., etc.

"*Oswald's missing everything with his first, steeply-downward-angled shot,"

Nonsense.
"steeply-downward-angled shot"  :D

"JFK's reacting more quickly than JBC to being hit"

Nonsense.

"hit by CE-399"

Nonsense.

" Viki Adam's not remembering how long she and Sandra Styles hung out at the window on the 4th floor"

Nonsense.

"and then spoke with their supervisor before heading down the stairs,"

Citation please.

"JBC's being influenced by his wife to believe that he and JFK were hit by different shots,"

Nonsense.

You clearly know nothing about the assassination.

Online Dan O'meara

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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2025, 10:36:26 AM »
  Well, let's see. I have Proven that those 2 Huge Gates were "Wide Open" per Officer Luke Mooney's WC Testimony, the Towner Film, and the Couch Film (reverse negative). Those Huge Gates were "Wide Open" before, during, and after the Kill Shot. This clearly proves MORE than 1 person was involved in the JFK Assassination. Somebody, (Oswald) had to open those gates, and then someone had to monitor the gates so they were Not closed before being used to exit the TSBD. Those wide open huge gates prove a Conspiracy all by themselves.

Hate to burst your bubble, Royell, but I dealt with the "Huge Gates" years ago and in much more detail than you have.
It's in this thread - https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3078.msg119172.html#msg119172
It starts at Reply#559, read on from there.

All it proves is that the building was not locked down properly. That's all.
It does NOT prove that more than one person was involved in the assassination.
These gates were not closed for at least ten minutes. More importantly, the door to the west of the TSBD building wasn't secured at any point during the day. People could come and go as they pleased through this entrance.

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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2025, 10:41:25 AM »
Maybe not professional, but they got the job done with four shots, and yes luck was on their side.

So, you agree the assassination was not professional. That's the point I was making.
It was not carried out by someone hired/contracted for their specific skill as a marksman.
It would appear to be carried out by someone familiar with rifles but not particularly skilled.

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Re: The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2025, 11:01:14 AM »
One interesting thing about the Grassy Knoll is that it is usually depicted from the Elm St. perspective where it appears to offer a secluded shooting location.  In fact, on the backside of the fence/treeline it is wide open to half of Dallas.  It is the very last place that anyone would put themselves with a rifle.

Agreed.
Because there was hardly anyone in this area during the actual shooting a lot of 'researchers' fail to grasp that no-one knew prior to the shooting that this would be the case.
They never consider the actual planning stage of their pet theory.
The area around the GK could have been swarming with hundreds of people. The car park was completely wide open, as we can see below.
Nobody, in their right mind, would plan to take a shot from behind the picket fence as they would have absolutely no idea as to how many people would be in this area on the day. It's a ludicrous notion.