JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate > JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate
The Assassination was Sloppy and Amateurish
Charles Collins:
While I tend to agree with the main point of the first post, I think that often times we can create conditions where “luck” becomes more likely to happen. The limited time that the assassin apparently had to plan his ambush made things more difficult. Especially for him to “cover his tracks.” However, consider the items he managed to get accomplished in order to be able to get three shots off before anyone could stop him.
1. He managed to retrieve the rifle and sneak it into the TSBD without any apparent suspicions being voiced before the assassination. This is even though he didn’t drive and had to hitch a ride from BWF.
2. He planned his ambush to be from behind and above the target. This gave him not only the element of surprise, but also maximized the time he would have to fire multiple shots.
3. He managed to find and select a position that was visually well shielded from both outside and inside the TSBD. While sitting on the box seat, he was also able to stay out of sight of the SS agents as they approached the TSBD on Houston Street by simply sitting up straight. The boxes in the window would have made it more difficult for any of the SS agents to see him even if they had looked back at that window during the shooting. And keeping his position essentially initially undetected by LEOs he was able to then have a reasonable chance to escape after the assassination.
4. This position was also well selected for having a “kill zone” where the target was moving almost directly away from him. This substantially increased his chances of hitting the target.
5. His ability to act calm and blend in with other people after the assassination helped his escape efforts (for a while). This was lost after the Tippit murder and all the frantic police activity in the area and subsequently led to his capture.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Richard Smith on June 27, 2025, 01:58:21 PM ---One interesting thing about the Grassy Knoll is that it is usually depicted from the Elm St. perspective where it appears to offer a secluded shooting location. In fact, on the backside of the fence/treeline it is wide open to half of Dallas. It is the very last place that anyone would put themselves with a rifle.
--- End quote ---
Per Skinny Holland, that parking lot on the other side of the Picket Fence was jam packed with cars. Holland claimed that he and his railroad workers crew that ran from their position atop the Triple Underpass to that parking lot, had to climb over cars to move across the parking lot. A shooter hugging that picket fence would be tough to spot within that ocean of autos. This obstructed view also casts doubt on the Ed Hoffman account of seeing a shooter inside that same parking lot. And Hoffman was standing roughly 2 football fields away.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Charles Collins on June 27, 2025, 03:40:29 PM ---While I tend to agree with the main point of the first post, I think that often times we can create conditions where “luck” becomes more likely to happen. The limited time that the assassin apparently had to plan his ambush made things more difficult. Especially for him to “cover his tracks.” However, consider the items he managed to get accomplished in order to be able to get three shots off before anyone could stop him.
1. He managed to retrieve the rifle and sneak it into the TSBD without any apparent suspicions being voiced before the assassination. This is even though he didn’t drive and had to hitch a ride from BWF.
2. He planned his ambush to be from behind and above the target. This gave him not only the element of surprise, but also maximized the time he would have to fire multiple shots.
3. He managed to find and select a position that was visually well shielded from both outside and inside the TSBD. While sitting on the box seat, he was also able to stay out of sight of the SS agents as they approached the TSBD on Houston Street by simply sitting up straight. The boxes in the window would have made it more difficult for any of the SS agents to see him even if they had looked back at that window during the shooting. And keeping his position essentially initially undetected by LEOs he was able to then have a reasonable chance to escape after the assassination.
4. This position was also well selected for having a “kill zone” where the target was moving almost directly away from him. This substantially increased his chances of hitting the target.
5. His ability to act calm and blend in with other people after the assassination helped his escape efforts (for a while). This was lost after the Tippit murder and all the frantic police activity in the area and subsequently led to his capture.
--- End quote ---
There was at least 1 previously planned attempt to kill JFK via the use of a tall building. That attempt was kibosh'd. Point being, the "plan" inside Dealey Plaza did not necessarily start from scratch.
Richard Smith:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on June 27, 2025, 04:07:10 PM --- Per Skinny Holland, that parking lot on the other side of the Picket Fence was jam packed with cars. Holland claimed that he and his railroad workers crew that ran from their position atop the Triple Underpass to that parking lot, had to climb over cars to move across the parking lot. A shooter hugging that picket fence would be tough to spot within that ocean of autos. This obstructed view also casts doubt on the Ed Hoffman account of seeing a shooter inside that same parking lot. And Hoffman was standing roughly 2 football fields away.
--- End quote ---
There is no way that someone is going to stand out in the wide open with a rifle in that location. And it doesn't make any sense to frame Oswald as the shooter from behind JFK but to place another shooter to his right and front on the Grassy Knoll. If someone else were going to do this and Oswald was the patsy, then they fire the shot from the location that they were going to frame Oswald and use his rifle. Another shooter at a different location using a different rifle is laughable as a plan.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Richard Smith on June 27, 2025, 04:30:28 PM ---There is no way that someone is going to stand out in the wide open with a rifle in that location. And it doesn't make any sense to frame Oswald as the shooter from behind JFK but to place another shooter to his right and front on the Grassy Knoll. If someone else were going to do this and Oswald was the patsy, then they fire the shot from the location that they were going to frame Oswald and use his rifle. Another shooter at a different location using a different rifle is laughable as a plan.
--- End quote ---
You say, "..stand out in the wide open". As described by Holland, that is not how the parking lot at the top of the grassy knoll looked at roughly 12:30pm 11/22/63. The Ed Hoffman visual presentation of that "wide open/empty" parking lot on, "The Men Who Killed Kennedy", is not accurate per Holland. Mark Lane filmed a Holland walk-through which detailed his journey from atop the Triple Underpass to/through the parking lot. During this walk-through, Holland describes the 11/22/63 jam packed parking lot. This Lane/Holland walk-through is posted on You Tube.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version