A Question for Royell Storing

[Tom Graves]

Storing,

You seem to be saying that Zapruder, wanting to capture every possible millisecond of JFK and Jackie on film, even filmed the limo's turning onto Elm Street (which was easy for him to anticipate because he could see the limo approaching on Houston Street), and the reason we don't see that part of the film today is because the bad guys, needing to hide the first, missing-everything SHOT FROM THE FRONT that happened at that time, edited-out about five seconds of that part of the film, and this explains why the limo implausibly POPS onto the film, already a considerable distance down Elm Street at Z-133.

Have you considered the possibility that the reason Zapruder didn't capture the limo's turn onto Elm Street was because:

1) Detecting a pause in "the action," he decided to rewind his new camera and/or

2) He intentionally waited until the limo had straightened out on Elm Street to resume filming?

Regarding Dan Rather's assertion that he had viewed the Zapruder film one whole time and watched in it the limo as it "turned onto Elm Street," I would attribute that to poetic or journalistic license.

I mean I mean I mean (to use a phrase often uttered by Jim DiEugenio), how else could he put it to the rapt national audience?

"The Presidential limousine, carrying handsome and well-tanned President Kennedy and his resplendent wife, Jackie, doesn't actually appear in the Zapruder film until it's already traveled about one hundred feet down Elm Street . . . "

(Yawn)

Let's take a closer look at your silly scenario, Storing.

If there was a very early shot from the front that implausibly missed everything, what evidence of it was caught on the Zapruder film (the part that the bad guys edited out)?

The bullet's impacting a spectator or hitting a building and causing sparks to fly?

Several spectators simultaneously gasping and throwing themselves to the ground?

What?

[Royell Storing]

    What Evidence is there of a very early 1st shot being fired from the sniper's nest?  You should be demanding Evidence from Holland to support that cockamamie early shot scenario he has dreamed up. I have Rather describing the JFK Limo turning onto Elm St. I also have Sitzman saying they could see the JFK Limo coming down Houston St and then turning onto Elm St. Fair is fair. You should be all over Holland. I got him skunked 2-0.

[Tom Graves]

    What Evidence is there of a very early 1st shot being fired from the sniper's nest?  You should be demanding Evidence from Holland to support that cockamamie early shot scenario he has dreamed up. I have Rather describing the JFK Limo turning onto Elm St. I also have Sitzman saying they could see the JFK Limo coming down Houston St and then turning onto Elm St. Fair is fair. You should be all over Holland. I got him skunked 2-0.

What evidence is there that the first shot was fired from the Sniper's Nest?  The fact that it missed everything, the fact that three shells were found on the floor, and the fact that one of the shells was way off to the right by itself suggesting that it it was the only one that was ejected from a difficult, steeply-downward-angled firing position.

In addition to not answering my question, you seem to be obsessed with Max Holland because he is ostensibly easier for you to rebut than are Roselle and Scearce, who have a lot of evidence indicating that the first, missing-everything shot was about a second later at hypothetical "Z-124," i.e., half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.

You should google "estimating occult timing of surprise gunshot sounds" and read their 2020 scientific analysis of the first shot.

[Royell Storing]

  You are running away from providing Proof of there being a Very Early 1st Shot. It's obvious why you do so. There is No Proof. It is ALL pure speculation.

[Tom Graves]

  You are running away from providing Proof of there being a Very Early 1st Shot. It's obvious why you do so. There is No Proof. It is ALL pure speculation.

Table-Turner & Gaslighter Extraodinaire Storing,

What evidence is there that there was a very early, missing-everything shot from the front?

Put up or shut up, Storing.

[Royell Storing]

  Never said there was a "very early missing-everything shot from the front". My position is that if guys like Holland can make a claim of an early shot from the TSBD and have literally No Proof to support that claim, I can do likewise regarding an early shot from the front. "What's good for the goose..............". The current double standard routine don't cut it.

[Tom Graves]

  Never said there was a "very early missing-everything shot from the front". My position is that if guys like Holland can make a claim of an early shot from the TSBD and have literally No Proof to support that claim, I can do likewise regarding an early shot from the front. "What's good for the goose..............". The current double standard routine don't cut it.

Storing,

In your tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theory, why, exactly, did the bad guys edit out about five seconds of footage between Z-132 and Z-133?

[Royell Storing]

  For starters, I do Not believe that is the only thing wrong with the Z film. Have you ever watched the SS Reconstruction Film that was done inside Dealey Plaza less than 1 week following the assassination? David Von Pein, (he is active on this forum), has posted it over on You Tube. Search "1963 Secret Service Film (JFK Assassination Reconstruction) (Silent)". Go to 24:18 - 24:24. The SS is filming from the Zapruder Perch as they "Reconstruct" Zapruder filming down onto Elm St. What do we see? We SEE the short wall. We SEE the Black Dog Man position. We also SEE a good stretch of the flat cement walkway that leads into the Pergola Shelter behind Zapruder. We also SEE much of the dirt/grass area between the flat cement walkway and the Picket Fence.  We SEE ALL of this on the SS Reconstruction, but we see NONE of this on the Z Film. And remember that this film footage is a "SS RECONSTRUCTION".