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Re: Luna's Ridiculous Hearing
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2025, 06:38:04 PM »
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My take on Joannides is that he was given his position as a liaison to the HSCA by Breckinridge because he was an experienced man. Once he was on the job, Joannides, who was likely an old school CIA hardliner, considered it his duty to give out as little information as possible. This was simply to keep the secrets on methods and sources and almost certainly not to cover-up any "Oswald Operation" as Morley suspects. After all, the DRE guys Morley talked to never said there was any operation or that Bringuier's interactions with Oswald were scripted by the agency. Some of them did believe in conspiracy theories (apparently) like millions of others. But they never said the DRE was involved in those, only that they were "used" somehow by the CIA.

Did Joannides delete files? Sure, it is possible, heck anything is possible. But again, if you could somehow prove he did, it would not prove an "Oswald Operation." It is likely that Joannides gave his word to sources and/or assets that their efforts would remain forever secret. So, when he was in a position to get rid of files he COULD have. But I would say it is just as likely that the operational files on the DRE from the period Joannides was case officer (which Morley is so concerned about)  are lost or never existed or were routinely destroyed. After all, many files are lost-Mary Ferrell has a report on that somewhere.

One would think that the same people at CIA who sent Nosenko-loving John L. Hart to not (sic) testify about Oswald to the HSCA also sent Joannides to serve as liaison.

Factoid: After Hart, in his HSCA testimony, severely slandered KGB Major I mean Lieutenant-Colonel I mean Captain Yuri Nosenko's former CIA case officer, Tennent H. Bagley, and buttressed Nosenko's spurious "bona fides," Bagley requested permission to rebut Hart's testimony. His request was granted, and he proceeded -- as "Mr. D. C." (as in Mr. Deputy Chief of the Soviet Russia Division) -- to rip Hart the proverbial "new one" in his 16 November 1978, 170-pages-long testimony.

Note: Nosenko was the false defector-in-place-in-Geneva-in-June-1962 / rogue physical defector to the U.S. in February 1964 who claimed to have been Oswald's case officer in Moscow (how lucky for J. Edgar Hoover!!!) who "knew for a fact" that the KGB had absolutely nothing to do with the former sharpshooting Marine radar operator during the two-and-one-half years he lived in the USSR!!!
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Re: Luna's Ridiculous Hearing
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2025, 08:27:39 PM »
One would think that the same people at CIA who sent Nosenko-loving John L. Hart to not (sic) testify about Oswald to the HSCA also sent Joannides to serve as liaison.



BTW, Tom, I saw your Substack post and you definitely should write a book on your Nosenko theories. Easy enough to do with self-publishing now and they would be preserved for posterity.
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Re: Luna's Ridiculous Hearing
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2025, 10:17:20 PM »
BTW, Tom, I saw your Substack post and you definitely should write a book on your Nosenko theories. Easy enough to do with self-publishing now and they would be preserved for posterity.

Thanks for the feedback, Tracy.

They aren't my Nosenko theories, though.

They are the observations of Nosenko's former CIA case officer and primary interviewer / interrogator, Tennent H. Bagley, plus the actual theories of John M. Newman and former CIA officer W. Alan Messer (who thinks Nosenko was a rogue physical defector to the U.S. in February 1964 whose bona fides Aleksei Kulak (FEDORA), Dmitry Polyakov (TOP HAT), and Igor Kochnov (KITTY HAWK), et al., had to support because he was telling J. Edgar Hoover what the KGB was desperate for him to hear -- that the KGB had absolutely nothing to do with former sharpshooting Marine U-2 radar operator Oswald during the two-and-one-half years he lived in The Worker's Paradise.

Have you read Bagley's book, Spy Wars, or his follow up article, "Ghosts of the Spy Wars," yet?

Both are free-to-read. Just google "spy wars" and "archive" simultaneously, and "ghosts of the spy wars" and "archive" simultaneously.

Enjoy!
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Re: Luna's Ridiculous Hearing
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2025, 05:08:38 PM »
Douglas Horne at the hearing:

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« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2025, 05:39:22 PM »

  I believe that Horne revealing the 2 separate "Briefing Board" sessions was ground breaking. That + Horne unearthing Dino Brugioni = an evolving Zapruder Film. What we have today is Not what Dan Rather viewed and described to the nation.

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Re: Luna's Ridiculous Hearing
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2025, 03:42:46 PM »
I believe that Horne revealing the 2 separate "Briefing Board" sessions was ground breaking. That + Horne unearthing Dino Brugioni = an evolving Zapruder Film. What we have today is Not what Dan Rather viewed and described to the nation.

Doug Horne's description of the missing autopsy photos during the hearing is especially informative and important. He starts talking about the missing autopsy photos at 56:45: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPOFi_6Bk-4.

Dan Hardway's testimony about his and Lopez's finding that Oswald was impersonated in Mexico City is also informative and important. Same link.

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Re: Luna's Ridiculous Hearing
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2025, 03:57:54 PM »
Doug Horne's description of the missing autopsy photos during the hearing is especially informative and important. He starts talking about the missing autopsy photos at 56:45: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPOFi_6Bk-4.

Dan Hardway's testimony about his and Lopez's finding that Oswald was impersonated in Mexico City is also informative and important. Same link.

  Yeah, I had never heard about numerous missing autopsy photos. It's stuff such as this that gives credibility to the HSCA Testimony of White House Photog Robert Knudsen and his seeing an autopsy photo showing probe(s) in the body of JFK running from the front of the body to the rear.

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Re: Luna's Ridiculous Hearing
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2025, 04:35:22 PM »
The very fact that all those autopsy photos were withheld shows that they didn't help the narrative of a lone gunman from above and behind.
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