Walk me through this, curtain rod fans

[Lance Payette]

Or try it this way, Michael:

We will stipulate for the sake of argument whatever you like: the package contained curtain rods ... or the package contained a lunch ... or the package contained something else ... or there was no package at all. WHATEVER MAKES YOU HAPPY.

Now simply tell us how you would answer the questions posed in my original post and how the explanation that makes you happy would fit into a narrative of the JFKA as a whole.

If your point is simply "We don't know for sure what was in the package, and what it actually was can never be proven" - I'll stipulate to that without reservation, but the fact remains that (to me) by far the most plausible explanation is "the disassembled rifle." Your posts read as though "can't be known or proven with certainty" equates to "is completely meaningless to talk about," as though we aren't allowed to reason our way to what seems the most plausible explanation.

[John Mytton]

...and there's that preset. AGAIN.

Just answer one question, Oswald without prior arrangement with Ruth, made a specific unique visit to Irving mid-week to get curtain rods but Oswald's room at the rooming house was already fitted with curtains which were hanging on curtain rods and the length of those curtain rods would in no way fit between Oswald's armpit to cupped hand, so explain why Oswald needed curtain rods?





And just to be clear, the owners of the Rooming House reinforced that Oswald's room already had curtains and curtain rods and that Oswald never said anything about getting new curtain rods.

Mr. BELIN. There were already curtain rods in the room, then, when this O.H. Lee came there is that correct?
Mr. JOHNSON. Yes, uh-huh.

Mr. BALL. Were the curtains on curtain rods?
Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. They were in the room when he rented it?
Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did Oswald ever talk to you about redecorating his room?
Mrs. JOHNSON. No sir; never mentioned it.
Mr. BALL. Did he ever talk to you about putting up new curtains in his room?
Mrs. JOHNSON. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did he ever tell you he was going to get some curtain rods?
Mrs. JOHNSON. No; he didn't.
Mr. BALL. The room had curtain rods on the window when he came in there?
Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes, sir; sure did.
Mr. BALL. Also curtains?
Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes, sir.

And as for Oswald's visit to Irving, Ruth seemed to be quite annoyed that Oswald just unexpectedly turned up without permission. It wasn't Oswald's house!!

Mr. JENNER - Let's proceed with the 21st. Did anything occur on the 21st with respect to Lee Harvey Oswald, that is a Thursday?
Mrs. PAINE - I arrived home from grocery shopping around 5:30, and he was on the front lawn. I was surprised to see him.
Mr. JENNER - You had no advance notice?
Mrs. PAINE - I had no advance notice and he had never before come without asking whether he could.
Mr. JENNER - Never before had he come to your home in that form without asking your permission to come?
Mrs. PAINE - Without asking permission; that is right.

JohnM

[Michael Capasse]

Just answer one question, Oswald without prior arrangement with Ruth, made a specific unique visit to Irving mid-week to get curtain rods but Oswald's room at the rooming house was already fitted with curtains which were hanging on curtain rods and the length of those curtain rods would in no way fit between Oswald's armpit to cupped hand, so explain why Oswald needed curtain rods?

And just to be clear, the owners of the Rooming House reinforced that Oswald's room already had curtains and curtain rods and that Oswald never said anything about getting new curtain rods.

Mr. BELIN. There were already curtain rods in the room, then, when this O.H. Lee came there is that correct?
Mr. JOHNSON. Yes, uh-huh.

Mr. BALL. Were the curtains on curtain rods?
Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. They were in the room when he rented it?
Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did Oswald ever talk to you about redecorating his room?
Mrs. JOHNSON. No sir; never mentioned it.
Mr. BALL. Did he ever talk to you about putting up new curtains in his room?
Mrs. JOHNSON. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did he ever tell you he was going to get some curtain rods?
Mrs. JOHNSON. No; he didn't.
Mr. BALL. The room had curtain rods on the window when he came in there?
Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes, sir; sure did.
Mr. BALL. Also curtains?
Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes, sir.

And as for Oswald's visit to Irving, Ruth seemed to be quite annoyed that Oswald just unexpectedly turned up without permission. It wasn't Oswald's house!!

Mr. JENNER - Let's proceed with the 21st. Did anything occur on the 21st with respect to Lee Harvey Oswald, that is a Thursday?
Mrs. PAINE - I arrived home from grocery shopping around 5:30, and he was on the front lawn. I was surprised to see him.
Mr. JENNER - You had no advance notice?
Mrs. PAINE - I had no advance notice and he had never before come without asking whether he could.
Mr. JENNER - Never before had he come to your home in that form without asking your permission to come?
Mrs. PAINE - Without asking permission; that is right.

JohnM

How is his rooming accommodations relevant to the size of the package and the specific way Frazier saw it was carried?
  Frazier saw a package that was too small to be the rifle. He was sure of how it was held. FACT.

"...and the length of those curtain rods would in no way fit between Oswald's armpit to cupped hand..."

Curtain rods collapse.

[Lance Payette]

It might almost appear to some, Michael, that you are operating on the basis of preset conclusions.

For the benefit of those who don't grasp the fine but critical distinction between my "preset" LN agenda and conclusions and your carefully crafted CT observations, perhaps you might want to explain the differences?

[Michael Capasse]

It might almost appear to some, Michael, that you are operating on the basis of preset conclusions.

For the benefit of those who don't grasp the fine but critical distinction between my "preset" LN agenda and conclusions and your carefully crafted CT observations, perhaps you might want to explain the differences?

Sure, broken and inconsistent evidence against Oswald is proof he was framed.

[Michael Capasse]

Is the rifle on the floor proof that Lee brought it in?
  It's a very simple question.

[John Mytton]

How is his rooming accommodations relevant to the size of the package and the specific way Frazier saw it was carried?
  Frazier saw a package that was too small to be the rifle. He was sure of how it was held. FACT.

Curtain rods collapse.

How is his rooming accommodations relevant to the size of the package and the specific way Frazier saw it was carried?

WTF? The curtain rods are the very reason we are debating. Duh!
Listen closely, the reason Oswald went to Irving was to get Curtain rods, Oswald told Frazier that the package lying on the back seat of his car contained curtain rods. And of course Oswald's room is relevant.

Mr. FRAZIER - Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that.

Curtain rods collapse.

Hahahaha! Oswald's room had a very, very long curtain rod, just how extendible do you believe curtain rods actually extend, from a mere two feet to close to ten feet??



And before you get any bright ideas, the curtain rod was bent by the Police during the search. And also of interest is Oswald never asked for permission to hang curtain rods or never even mentioned anything to do with the curtains and why would Oswald even be the slightest bit concerned with curtains, much less replacing perfectly good curtain rods? Just face it, Oswald's package contained Oswald's rifle and that's that!



And here's the curtain rods from the Paine residence and they don't appear to be extendible and even if they did, these 27.5 inch curtain rods are woefully inadequate for the job.



So in closing, you haven't the foggiest reason why Oswald needed curtain rods and you have absolutely no idea why he left them at work, and BTW no curtain rods were ever found, but a rifle was and that rifle happened to exactly fit the brown paper sack which was found with Oswald's prints, how about that!





JohnM