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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #64 on: May 08, 2025, 12:48:33 AM »
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A TSBD 6th floor SE window conspirator shooter could have used the passenger elevator if he was able to get into the elevator shaft from a vent on the 6th floor.

But how long the shooter must wait on top of the passenger elevator cab before he climbs down into it is the question. And the power went out coincidentally too, so it’s uncertain how viable this scenario is.

The MC rifle could be pre planted , but what is the reason to add this complication? Does the conspirator have a personal  vendetta towards Oswald?

How the MC rifle could be post planted on the 6th floor by 1:20 pm is even more of a challenging problem, but maybe a quantum computer AI that can figure it out.

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #65 on: May 08, 2025, 01:15:03 AM »
A TSBD 6th floor SE window conspirator shooter could have used the passenger elevator if he was able to get into the elevator shaft from a vent on the 6th floor.

But how long the shooter must wait on top of the passenger elevator cab before he climbs down into it is the question. And the power went out coincidentally too, so it’s uncertain how viable this scenario is.

The MC rifle could be pre planted , but what is the reason to add this complication? Does the conspirator have a personal  vendetta towards Oswald?

How the MC rifle could be post planted on the 6th floor by 1:20 pm is even more of a challenging problem, but maybe a quantum computer AI that can figure it out.

I don't think the power went out, the lights were on in the building as seen in the Powell/Dillard photos and the telephone lights went out because no one was calling out but people still could have been calling in, so that is a bit of a mystery? And as far as the elevators not working I reckon someone specifically turned them off.

Mr. BALL. Did you stay at your desk?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir: I was alone until the lights all went out and the phones became dead because the motorcade was coming near us and no one was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the east window in our office.
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Miss HINE. I called and called and shook the door and she didn't answer me because she was talking on the telephone; I could hear her. They have a little curtain up and I could see her form through the curtains. I could see her talking and I knew that's what she was doing and then I turned and went through the back hall and came through the back door.
Mr. BALL. Of your office, the second floor office?
Miss HINE. Yes; and I went straight up to the desk because the telephones were beginning to wink; outside calls were beginning to come in.


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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #66 on: May 08, 2025, 01:26:22 AM »
A TSBD 6th floor SE window conspirator shooter could have used the passenger elevator if he was able to get into the elevator shaft from a vent on the 6th floor.

But how long the shooter must wait on top of the passenger elevator cab before he climbs down into it is the question. And the power went out coincidentally too, so it’s uncertain how viable this scenario is.

The MC rifle could be pre planted , but what is the reason to add this complication? Does the conspirator have a personal  vendetta towards Oswald?

How the MC rifle could be post planted on the 6th floor by 1:20 pm is even more of a challenging problem, but maybe a quantum computer AI that can figure it out.

   My route through the Huge Gates is the most plausible avenue of escape. Straight Down the stairwell and out the Huge Gates, which we know are open due to the Martin Film showing them Open when Amos Euins is going down the Elm Ext on the back of the Harkness DPD 3 Wheel motorcycle. (5-6 minutes after the Kill Shot). People want to complicate the shooter(s) escape route, but it really is very simple. 
« Last Edit: May 08, 2025, 01:27:53 AM by Royell Storing »

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #67 on: May 08, 2025, 02:34:56 AM »
My route through the Huge Gates is the most plausible avenue of escape. Straight Down the stairwell and out the Huge Gates, which we know are open due to the Martin Film showing them Open when Amos Euins is going down the Elm Ext on the back of the Harkness DPD 3 Wheel motorcycle. (5-6 minutes after the Kill Shot). People want to complicate the shooter(s) escape route, but it really is very simple.

Storing,

Why did Oswald go upstairs to get a Coke right when JFK and Jackie were passing by the TSBD?

If he was so terrible thirsty that he just couldn't wait, why didn't he get a bottle of his favorite soft drink, Dr. Pepper, from the machine on the first floor, instead?

Hmm?
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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #68 on: May 08, 2025, 04:11:23 AM »
Storing,

Why did Oswald go upstairs to get a Coke right when JFK and Jackie were passing by the TSBD?

If he was so terrible thirsty that he just couldn't wait, why didn't he get a bottle of his favorite soft drink, Dr. Pepper, from the machine on the first floor, instead?

Hmm?

   In my opinion Oswald's job was to set up the sniper's nest. His prints would be found on the boxes inside the sniper's nest, but order filling/handling boxes with books inside them was his job. Easily explaining his prints being on those boxes. After setting up the sniper's nest, he was instructed to establish his alibi by being inside the 2nd Floor Lunchroom. That's exactly where Baker and Truly found him. 

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #69 on: May 08, 2025, 04:24:27 AM »
In my opinion Oswald's job was to set up the sniper's nest. His prints would be found on the boxes inside the sniper's nest, but order filling/handling boxes with books inside them was his job. Easily explaining his prints being on those boxes. After setting up the sniper's nest, he was instructed to establish his alibi by being inside the 2nd Floor Lunchroom. That's exactly where Baker and Truly found him.

Storing,

How many evil, evil, evil "Deep State" guys and gals do you figure were involved with the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and the all-important cover up?

Just a few, or oodles and gobs?

Was Oswald a knowing martyr for "the cause," or was he duped?

If the latter, under what pretense?

A government sanctioned "test" of the Secret Service or some-such thing?

Was he aware that JFK would be "hit"?

Gasp . . . was he a CIA or FBI agent who had penetrated something really, really evil?

Wouldn't it have easier for him to establish his alibi in the second-floor lunchroom if he'd been sitting there eating his crummy cheese sandwich and apple if-and-when someone barged in on him after the shooting? Heck, he could have even gotten his favorite sodie pop -- Dr. Pepper -- from the first-floor Dr. Pepper machine on his way up!

OMG . . . Did he WANT to be seen by the police through the window in the "vestibule" door?

Seein' as how you're a seventy-something MAGAT, you probably hated Communist/Socialist JFK, right?
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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #70 on: May 08, 2025, 05:29:57 AM »
   In my opinion Oswald's job was to set up the sniper's nest. His prints would be found on the boxes inside the sniper's nest, but order filling/handling boxes with books inside them was his job. Easily explaining his prints being on those boxes. After setting up the sniper's nest, he was instructed to establish his alibi by being inside the 2nd Floor Lunchroom. That's exactly where Baker and Truly found him.

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In my opinion Oswald's job was to set up the sniper's nest.

First of all I appreciate that you are trying to create a narrative because most CT's are too gutless to explain their beliefs, because most likely they know that any alternative to the official version ultimately never makes sense.
Oswald was nobody's lapdog, he was arrogant and fiercely independent, I can't imagine a scenario where some conspirators could get Oswald to construct a sniper's nest for someone else to take shots from, even if Oswald was told that these sniper's were just taking pot shots, how stupid do we have to believe that Oswald was? But if Oswald built the sniper's nest for himself then that is perfectly logical and fits Oswald's psychological profile.

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After setting up the sniper's nest, he was instructed to establish his alibi by being inside the 2nd Floor Lunchroom.

This old chestnut, why have Oswald be in a space where people frequent? If Oswald was seen in the lunchroom as the shots were fired, he would have a great alibi but that's obviously not the plan. Wouldn't the plan be planting Oswald's rifle on the 6th floor so Oswald would clearly be linked to the assassination, that's kind of a no brainer.

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That's exactly where Baker and Truly found him.

Well not exactly, Oswald wasn't seated within the 2nd floor lunchroom but was on foot entering the second floor lunchroom. And again the official narrative makes more sense, Oswald coming down from the 6th floor quickly ducked into the lunchroom after he heard Truly shout up the elevator shaft.

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Re: How exactly did the shooter get down from the sixth floor?
« Reply #71 on: May 08, 2025, 04:39:49 PM »

  JOHN -  (1) Oswald was a Marine. He knew how to follow orders and that it takes several bricks working in concert to construct a wall. His constructing the sniper's nest would follow this military thought process.
              (2) If you're gonna have a "patsy", (rifle stolen/ fired/, planted), you need to know EXACTLY where the Patsy is when everything goes down. Oswald following orders and being inside the 2nd Floor Lunchroom achieves this.

              (3) Oswald bought a Coke inside the 2nd Floor Lunchroom. Very natural for him to do this. He did Not have to be chained to a table inside that Lunchroom.

             (4) I do Not buy the Oswald leaving the stairwell and then running into the 2nd Floor Lunchroom. Do you know that as you exit the 2nd Floor Stairwell, to your Immediate (R) is a window? Directly Underneath that window is the ROOF that runs directly Above The HUGE GATES? It would be quicker/easier to go out that window onto the Roof of the Huge Gates vs fleeing into the Lunchroom. There is film footage of a suited man Entering this same window from that same roof top. I do Not know who shot this film or how long after the kill shot it was shot.

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