Was the JFK records release a dud? Is Conspiracy World on the brink?

[Steve M. Galbraith]

And many who believe the LN conclusion will continue to ignore any new evidence that casts doubt on that narrative. That's called "Confirmation Bias".

And what is in these files that the LN side is ignoring? That's the original question, the latest release.

We've been told for years, more than two decades, by the likes of Morley and others that they contain evidence of the conspiracy. "Why else would they be holding them?" went the claim. "Release the Joannides files. That will show that Oswald was used in a counter intelligence operation." So they were released - all of them now - and just as the people who saw they said there's nothing there. Yet people will go back to Morley or some other conspiracist for their conspiracy fix, for another claim, for something you can use to express your grievances against the CIA or for the MAGA right the "deep state."

Everything the conspiracy side has asked for has been answered. Every time. But they not only won't take no for an answer, they won't take yes either.

Again what confirmation bias is being shown here by the lone assassin crowd? I see a lot of bias on the conspiracy side. I don't see any here on the lone gunman side on this matter.

[Jon Banks]

And what is in these files that the LN side is ignoring? That's the original question, the lastest release.

Almost everything since the ARRB has been ignored by leading LN'ers like Gerald Posner.

We know far more today about inconsistencies in the Medical evidence, problems with the chain of custody on several key pieces of evidence, the extent to which the CIA lied about their interest in Oswald prior to 11/22/63.

With the LN crowd, we predictably get the circular logic of "Oswald alone did it therefore any problems with the evidence aren't relevant".

A clear case of Confirmation Bias.

Everything the conspiracy side has asked for has been answered.

Not true. We have yet to see the declassification of specific files relating to the travel records of CIA officers like Bill Harvey and George Joannides in 1963. Why is the CIA still keeping secret documents relating to long deceased CIA officers?

Bill Harvey, whose wife admits hated JFK with a passion, is alleged by some to have travelled from Italy to Dallas shortly before the assassination. If confirmed that he did in fact visit Dallas around that time, it adds to the circumstantial argument for his involvement with the plot. The CIA's secrecy regarding that matter only increases speculation about the theories involving Harvey.

George Joannides primarily worked in Miami but it was recently confirmed that he had a residence in New Orleans in 1963. If he was in New Orleans at the time when LHO was engaging with members of the DRE, a group who reported to Joannides, that would look even worse for the CIA's choice of him to be their liaison for the HSCA. 

There are other files still being kept secret as well. Contrary to Trump's announcement, not all of the government's JFK related files have been released to the public.

[Tom Graves]

Almost everything since the ARRB has been ignored by leading LN'ers like Gerald Posner.

We know far more today about inconsistencies in the Medical evidence, problems with the chain of custody on several key pieces of evidence, the extent to which the CIA lied about their interest in Oswald prior to 11/22/63.

With the LN crowd, we predictably get the circular logic of "Oswald alone did it therefore any problems with the evidence aren't relevant".

A clear case of Confirmation Bias.

Not true. We have yet to see the declassification of specific files relating to the travel records of CIA officers like Bill Harvey and George Joannides in 1963. Why is the CIA still keeping secret documents relating to long deceased CIA officers?

Bill Harvey, whose wife admits hated JFK with a passion, is alleged by some to have travelled from Italy to Dallas shortly before the assassination. If confirmed that he did in fact visit Dallas around that time, it adds to the circumstantial argument for his involvement with the plot. The CIA's secrecy regarding that matter only increases speculation about the theories involving Harvey.

George Joannides primarily worked in Miami but it was recently confirmed that he had a residence in New Orleans in 1963. If he was in New Orleans at the time when LHO was engaging with members of the DRE, a group who reported to Joannides, that would look even worse for the CIA's choice of him to be their liaison for the HSCA. 

There are other files still being kept secret as well. Contrary to Trump's announcement, not all of the government's JFK related files have been released to the public.

Dear Lefty-Righty Banksy,

If Oswald didn't do it, then how many witting bad guys and really, really bad gals do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and maybe even the all-important cover up?

Just a few, or oodles and gobs?

-- Tom

[Jon Banks]

Dear Lefty-Righty Banksy,

If Oswald didn't do it, then how many witting bad guys and really, really bad gals do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and maybe even the all-important cover up?

Just a few, or oodles and gobs?

-- Tom

In the big picture, if there was a conspiracy, it doesn't matter whether LHO fired a shot or not.

[Tom Graves]

In the big picture, if there was a conspiracy, it doesn't matter whether LHO fired a shot or not.

Nice side-step, Lefty-Righty Banksy!

If it was a conspiracy in which Oswald didn't fire a shot, how many witting bad guys and really, really bad gals do you figure were involved in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, and maybe even the all-important cover up?

Just a few, or oodles and gobs?

If it was a conspiracy that involved Oswald's firing one shot (or throwing one firecracker), how many witting bad guys and really, really bad gals do you figure were involved in the planning, the shooting (other than Oswald), the "patsy-ing," and maybe even the all-important cover up?

Just a few, or oodles and gobs?

If it was a conspiracy that involved Oswald's firing two shots (or throwing two firecrackers), how many witting bad guys and really, really bad gals do you figure were involved in the planning, the shooting (other than Oswald), the "patsy-ing," and maybe even the all-important cover up?

Just a few, or oodles and gobs?

If it was a conspiracy that involved Oswald's firing all three shots (or throwing three firecrackers), how many witting bad guys and really, really bad gals do you figure were involved in the planning, the shooting (other than Oswald), the "patsy-ing," and maybe even the all-important cover up?

Just a few, or oodles and gobs?

-- Tom

[Joe Elliott]

Who would have thought ten years ago that the JFK files, complete with social security numbers, would be released before Epstein files were.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Almost everything since the ARRB has been ignored by leading LN'ers like Gerald Posner.

We know far more today about inconsistencies in the Medical evidence, problems with the chain of custody on several key pieces of evidence, the extent to which the CIA lied about their interest in Oswald prior to 11/22/63.

With the LN crowd, we predictably get the circular logic of "Oswald alone did it therefore any problems with the evidence aren't relevant".

A clear case of Confirmation Bias.

Not true. We have yet to see the declassification of specific files relating to the travel records of CIA officers like Bill Harvey and George Joannides in 1963. Why is the CIA still keeping secret documents relating to long deceased CIA officers?

Bill Harvey, whose wife admits hated JFK with a passion, is alleged by some to have travelled from Italy to Dallas shortly before the assassination. If confirmed that he did in fact visit Dallas around that time, it adds to the circumstantial argument for his involvement with the plot. The CIA's secrecy regarding that matter only increases speculation about the theories involving Harvey.

George Joannides primarily worked in Miami but it was recently confirmed that he had a residence in New Orleans in 1963. If he was in New Orleans at the time when LHO was engaging with members of the DRE, a group who reported to Joannides, that would look even worse for the CIA's choice of him to be their liaison for the HSCA. 

There are other files still being kept secret as well. Contrary to Trump's announcement, not all of the government's JFK related files have been released to the public.

The question was about the latest release and now you're off into conspiracy wonderland where more files and more evidence supposedly exists. This is, frankly, what Morley does and he needs to be held accountable for it.

Morley and other conspiracists have made claim after claim after claim about these withheld files over the years. That is the topic not the 1993 files or some other files (Bill Harvey's files? And then what, Phillips' files? And then some other files?). The ARRB files are now all out there and all of these claims have been shown to be groundless. Should they be held accountable or not? If you don't care whether Morley or others simply make things up then fine, just say so.

And really, Joannides had a home in New Orleans and that's evidence of his involvement in a counter intelligence operation using Oswald? Talk about confirmation bias.