Two Wallets? Nope.

[John Iacoletti]

Elmer L Boyd sure looks like an Honest Cop.

Well, I guess that settles it!

[John Iacoletti]

The contrarian mind is quite amusing.  Here it is suggested that Nostradamus-like vision is necessary to suggest what the police would have done following the discovery of a discarded wallet at the scene of a police officer shooting.  HA HA HA.  A discarded wallet at the scene of a cop murder on the street would be highly suspicious.   The police would have every reason to suspect that the owner of the wallet was connected to the crime absent an amazing coincidence that some innocent person had lost their wallet that day at the very scene of the crime and no one else had bothered to pick it up.  It had just laid there in in the open until the crime was committed.  Ironically, the CTer theory that the wallet was planted to frame Oswald is entirely consistent with the conclusion that the police would have cause to believe the wallet's owner was connected to the crime.  And what would the police do upon discovering the identity of a potential cop killing suspect?   We don't need Sherlock Holmes or ESP.  The police would immediately have radioed out the name and description of a potentially dangerous killer on the loose.  That didn't happen.  That sinks the battleship of loony contrarians.

What is quite amusing (and frankly, sad) is your inability to distinguish fantasy from reality.

[John Mytton]

Apparently Gus Rose was possibly that stupid then.

Mr. ROSE. No; he didn't, not right then--he did later. In a minute--I found two cards--I found a card that said "A. Hidell." And I found another card that said "Lee Oswald" on it, and I asked him which of the two was his correct name. He wouldn't tell me at the time, he just said, "You find out."

Cool story, bro.  But I'm more interested in the "Oswald's wallet" that Rose looked at and the "Oswald's wallet" that Bentley looked at.

"I asked for his name. He refused to give me his name. I removed his wallet from his back pocket and obtained his identification, and also asked him if he was still living at the Elsberry address and he says, well you find out for yourself."

"What kind of identification did he have?"

"The card that I got this information from was the Dallas Public Library Card. He had other identifications such as driver's license, I believe and credit cards and things like that."

Apparently Gus Rose was possibly that stupid then.

Mr. ROSE. No; he didn't, not right then--he did later. In a minute--I found two cards--I found a card that said "A. Hidell." And I found another card that said "Lee Oswald" on it, and I asked him which of the two was his correct name. He wouldn't tell me at the time, he just said, "You find out."

Context is everything!

Your selective quoting of Rose is a typical CT tactic, here's the entire relevant quote where Oswald says his name is "Hidell", which for a start makes your conspiracy theory that Oswald never knew about the alias "Hidell" seriously flawed. LOL
So with the fact that Oswald admitted to the Hidell alias, there is really no need to continue because the only reason you are questioning the wallet is the Hidell ID which was provably in the Wallet and was connected to Oswald because Oswald himself admitted to "Hidell" LOL

Now to put the FULL Rose quote into context, Oswald said his name was Hidell and Rose had not seen the wallet by that time so Rose checked Oswald's wallet and found the Oswald I.D.'s and wanted to know why Oswald was telling lies, nothing out of the ordinary for Oswald, who lied as often as he breathed.

Mr. ROSE. Well, the first thing I asked him was what his name was and he told me it was Hidell.
Mr. BALL. Did he tell you it was Hidell?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; he did.
Mr. BALL. He didn't tell you it was Oswald?
Mr. ROSE. No; he didn't, not right then--he did later. In a minute--I found two cards--I found a card that said "A. Hidell." And I found another card that said "Lee Oswald" on it, and I asked him which of the two was his correct name. He wouldn't tell me at the time, he just said, "You find out." And then in just a few minutes Captain Fritz came in and he told me to get two men and go to Irving and search his house.
Mr. BALL. Now, when he first came in there--you said that he said his name was "Hidell"?
Mr. ROSE. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Was that before you saw the two cards?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; it was.
Mr. BALL. Did he give you his first name?
Mr. ROSE. He just said "Hidell"; I remember he just gave me the last name of "Hidell".

Cool story, bro.  But I'm more interested in the "Oswald's wallet" that Rose looked at and the "Oswald's wallet" that Bentley looked at.

"I asked for his name. He refused to give me his name. I removed his wallet from his back pocket and obtained his identification, and also asked him if he was still living at the Elsberry address and he says, well you find out for yourself."

"What kind of identification did he have?"

"The card that I got this information from was the Dallas Public Library Card. He had other identifications such as driver's license, I believe and credit cards and things like that."

I don't tell stories, I tell facts!
Rose doesn't contradict any wallet fact.
Bentley says he saw the library card which had Oswald's name on it, which is a fact and then Bentley adds an "I believe" to the driver's licence I.D. and then mentions a generic list of wallet contents which we know couldn't be true because we know Oswald didn't have a driver's licence and the likely hood of Oswald owning a credit card was zero! Doh!

The following list of Oswald's wallets contents makes perfect sense, Oswald admitted to Rose about the name "Hidell" and the rest are what you expect Oswald to be carrying, military ID, pictures of his wife and child, social security card etc.
So getting back to your original mistake, Hill said Oswald was his name because the besides the FAKE looking Hidell ID, the overwhelming majority of Oswald's ID's said he was Oswald and funnily enough Oswald's name was in fact Oswald, how about that! LOL





JohnM

[Michael Capasse]

Context is everything!






JohnM

Who's list is that?

[John Mytton]

Who's list is that?

Seriously, where does this question go?
What part of the list do you believe to be fabricated because all the stuff like military cards, social security, family pictures, the Hidell ID was ALL positively linked to Oswald and more importantly why would anything need to be manufactured and placed in the wallet, how does this question of yours further your conspiracy belief?

If your concern is the Hidell ID then forget it because the Hidell ID was forensically analysed to be signed by Oswald, the template of the fake ID was found in Oswald's possessions and as seen above Oswald admitted to Rose that his "name" was Hidell.





JohnM

[John Mytton]

Elmer L Boyd sure looks like an Honest Cop.

Well, I guess that settles it!

I am glad you found my clever sarcasm amusing, but my observation goes deeper than mere face value, pun intended.
Ct's like yourself and Capasse always take everything at "face value" and never explore how your latest piece of isolated "conspiratorial" evidence fits into the structure of your conspiracy. Capasse is on record as saying that he doesn't need an alternate narrative because obviously that just gets in the way of his allegations but an endless list of unconnected theories that contradict each other, doesn't lead to a conspiracy solution and the fact that he realizes that he can't connect his dots to provide a plausible conspiracy orientated narrative is proof alone that he's on the wrong track!

JohnM

[Bill Brown]

Damn nice work, John.  Take it easy on them.  Let them come up for some air.  The poor fellas.  I'm beginning to feel bad for them.

[Bill Brown]

By the way, stating as a fact that the wallet must include a driver's license just because Bentley was listing simple generic terms for items often found inside a wallet (early reports which are often wrong) must mean one also believes a secret service agent was killed in Dealey Plaza (early reports) and that a cop was killed inside the theater (early reports).