I'm convinced - CE 399 is entirely bogus!

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Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: I'm convinced - CE 399 is entirely bogus!
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2025, 02:07:25 AM »
There are many reasons to doubt the SBT, which was invented only after it became clear that at least one shot missed the limo entirely. The initial FBI investigation didn't assume that JFK and Connolly were struck by the same bullet.


The Zapruder film all but proved that JFK and Connolly weren't struck by the same bullet (frame 225-268).

Zapruder film all but proved? Pretty convincing.

A shot missed and separate bullets wounding JFK and JBC. How many shots are in this scenario?

Seriously, how was JBC wounded without the bullet first passing through JFK? Where was that shooter located?

 

Offline Jon Banks

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Re: I'm convinced - CE 399 is entirely bogus!
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2025, 02:14:30 AM »

Zapruder film all but proved? Pretty convincing.

A shot missed and separate bullets wounding JFK and JBC. How many shots are in this scenario?

At least four shots fired of course. Which means there had to be more than one shooter. 

Hence the necessity of the SBT to the Warren Commish after it was confirmed that at least one shot missed the motorcade.

Initially, the FBI didn't account for a missed shot.


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Re: I'm convinced - CE 399 is entirely bogus!
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2025, 02:32:19 AM »
At least four shots fired of course. Which means there had to be more than one shooter. 

Hence the necessity of the SBT to the Warren Commish after it was confirmed that at least one shot missed the motorcade.

Initially, the FBI didn't account for a missed shot.

4+? How was it confirmed a shot missed?

Offline John Mytton

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Re: I'm convinced - CE 399 is entirely bogus!
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2025, 02:41:07 AM »
You really should talk to a therapist about your Boomer KGB paranoia.  :D



I forgot his name so I looked it up.

"Sam Kinney" is the name of the deceased SS agent who had a similar story about bringing a bullet to Parkland hospital:


I don't believe CE399 ended up at Parkland by chance. I believe someone placed it on a stretcher. Whether it was Landis or Kinney, I don't know.

Between these SS stories and the glaring Chain of custody problems, we can reasonably doubt that CE399 is the bullet that struck both Kennedy and Connolly (if they were struck by the same bullet). It may not even be the bullet that was found on a stretcher at Parkland.

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"Sam Kinney" is the name of the deceased SS agent who had a similar story about bringing a bullet to Parkland hospital:

Even you must admit that story is absolutely bonkers, without a thorough investigation of the crime scene, and knowing the full extent of the injury to Kennedy and the injury to Connally, there is NO way to know what type of bullet to bring because of so many random variable factors.

What if an extra bullet turned up?
How at that stage could any one possibly know the true extent of the injuries?
How could they know to flatten CE399 on only one side?
How could they know only a small amount of lead was left in Connally?
How could they know to remove a small amount of lead from CE399 to equal the small amount of lead in Connally?

Here are some random bullets, which one to choose? Hmmm?

The one with one side flattened?
The one with missing lead?
The one with not so much missing lead?
The one with the deformed nose?



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Online Tom Graves

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Re: I'm convinced - CE 399 is entirely bogus!
« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2025, 02:44:08 AM »
At least four shots were fired, of course.
 
LOL!

Three shots were fired.
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Hence the necessity of the SBT to the Warren Commish after it was confirmed that at least one shot missed the motorcade.

Correct, but remember there were three shots total and Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three of them.
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Initially, the FBI didn't account for a missed shot.

IIRC, originally, the Warren Commission, which was largely based on the FBI's investigations, posited that the first (missing everything) shot (of three total shots) was fired when the limo was at point "A," i.e., near the corner of the "island" separating Elm Street from Elm Street Extension. And it was right, of course.
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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: I'm convinced - CE 399 is entirely bogus!
« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2025, 03:51:11 AM »
 

Three shots were fired.

Inconclusive.

We simply don't know based on the forensic evidence how many shots were fired. However, we do know that if there were more than three shots fired, there were multiple shooters.



Correct, but remember there were three shots total and Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three of them.
IIRC, originally, the Warren Commission, which was largely based on the FBI's investigations, posited that the first (missing everything) shot (of three total shots) was fired when the limo was at point "A," i.e., near the corner of the "island" separating Elm Street from Elm Street Extension. And it was right, of course.

FYI, the FBI's initial investigation concluded that three shots were fired and none missed:



https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10402#relPageId=8


The SBT was born months later after it was confirmed that at least one shot missed the limo.

Offline John Mytton

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Re: I'm convinced - CE 399 is entirely bogus!
« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2025, 04:06:57 AM »
Inconclusive.

We simply don't know based on the forensic evidence how many shots were fired. However, we do know that if there were more than three shots fired, there were multiple shooters.






Also worth noting is 94% of the earwitnesses said the shots came from only one direction and since both Connally and Kennedy were struck from behind therefore all shots came from behind. The echo chamber of Dealey Plaza easily explains why earwitnesses had trouble differentiating a direction but shots from both ends of Dealey Plaza would be obvious.



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