I'm convinced - CE 399 is entirely bogus!

[Lance Payette]

Oh, good, let's debate the SBT for the 9,342nd time! That'll be productive! Someone is sure to say something new and exciting!

NOT

I am disappointed, my fellow CTers. I started this thread with confidence that the brightest of us (who are they, anyway?) could provide rational, logical, coherent answers to my little questions as to how our view of CE 399 makes any sense. But nooooo, I get crickets and yet another mind-numbing foray into the SBT. My fellow CTers, we're better than this ...

OR AREN'T WE?

[Tom Graves]

We simply don't know based on the forensic evidence how many shots were fired.

Three shells were found in the Sniper's Nest.

CE-399, which was fired from Oswald's short-rifle, is, from all appearances, missing the same amount of lead core as the combined amount that was either removed from JBC's body or left in place inside it.

CE-399, and only CE-399, can account for all seven non-headshot wounds sustained by JFK and JBC.

The largish bullet fragments found inside the limo were ballistically traced to Oswald's short-rifle.

The autopsy doctors said the bullet that penetrated JFK's skull did do near his External Occipital Protuberance, the thickest part of his skull. This explains why that bulled fragmented.

CE-399 was traveling only about 900 feet per second when it struck the radial bone in JBC's wrist, which explains why it didn't fragment more than it did when it stuck it.

The majority of witnesses, including the three TSBD workers immediately below the Sniper's Nest, heard a total of three shots.

However, we do know that if there were more than three shots fired, there were multiple shooters.

Finally, a logical assumption!

The problem for CTs is . . . only three shots were fired, and they were fired over a total of 10.2 seconds.

The SBT was born months later after it was confirmed that at least one shot missed the limo.

Fine.

[Jarrett Smith]

There were 4 shots. The first shot by Oswald was at Z160, but many of the witnesses claim the first was at Z223/224. First shot missed, second hit both(SBT is fact), third shot hit JFK's head from behind,
and the fourth hit his head from the front causing the rapid Bang-Bang sound many heard. My opinion only.

[Tom Graves]

There were 4 shots. The first shot by Oswald was at Z160, but many of the witnesses claim the first was at Z223/224. First shot missed, second hit both(SBT is fact), third shot hit JFK's head from behind,
and the fourth hit his head from the front causing the rapid Bang-Bang sound many heard. My opinion only.

You're wrong.

There were three shots.

All three of them came from the sixth-floor Sniper's Nest.

The first one missed everything and was fired at hypothetical "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.

The shots were fired over 10.2 seconds in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza.

[Jon Banks]

Also worth noting is 94% of the earwitnesses said the shots came from only one direction and since both Connally and Kennedy were struck from behind therefore all shots came from behind. The echo chamber of Dealey Plaza easily explains why earwitnesses had trouble differentiating a direction but shots from both ends of Dealey Plaza would be obvious.

JohnM

The number of shell casings found in the Book Depository doesn't prove that only three shots were fired. Based on the available evidence, it cannot be ruled out that there were multiple shooters and more than three shots fired.

Ear witnesses are unreliable.

Garbage in-garbage out.

Question to you Mr Mytton, how many bullets or how much ammo did Oswald own? Are we expected to believe the three bullets he allegedly used on 11/22/63 were the only ammunition he owned? If not, where did he store his bullets?

[Lance Payette]

The number of shell casings found in the Book Depository doesn't prove that only three shots were fired. Based on the available evidence, it cannot be ruled out that there were multiple shooters and more than three shots fired.

Ear witnesses are unreliable.

Garbage in-garbage out.

Question to you Mr Mytton, how many bullets or how much ammo did Oswald own? Are we expected to believe the three bullets he allegedly used on 11/22/63 were the only ammunition he owned? If not, where did he store his bullets?

No one asked me  , but Jack Nessan and his co-author argue pretty persuasively in Phantom Shot that Oswald fired only two shots and (as I recall) that the dented shell was one Oswald had used for dry firing and had been ejected when he loaded the first live round). A little box from a store in Ft. Worth where Marguerite had once worked was found in Oswald's possession and would have been a perfect fit for a few Carcano rounds. I know from experience that a standard box of 20 high-caliber rounds has always been pretty expensive; my guess would be that he'd never owned more than one box, had used up all the rest in practice with the rifle, and was down to his last 3 or 4 rounds (including the live one found in the rifle) when he shot JFK. The one in the rifle perhaps was saved in case he encountered anyone in exiting the sixth floor.

Because I'm familiar with the acoustics of rifle shots in an environment like Dealey Plaza, I attach little significance to how many shots the earwitnesses thought were fired or where they were coming from. In my own experience, this can be astonishingly misleading.

[Jon Banks]

No one asked me  , but Jack Nessan and his co-author argue pretty persuasively in Phantom Shot that Oswald fired only two shots and (as I recall) that the dented shell was one Oswald had used for dry firing and had been ejected when he loaded the first live round). A little box from a store in Ft. Worth where Marguerite had once worked was found in Oswald's possession and would have been a perfect fit for a few Carcano rounds. I know from experience that a standard box of 20 high-caliber rounds has always been pretty expensive; my guess would be that he'd never owned more than one box, had used up all the rest in practice with the rifle, and was down to his last 3 or 4 rounds (including the live one found in the rifle) when he shot JFK. The one in the rifle perhaps was saved in case he encountered anyone in exiting the sixth floor.

So it's reasonable to believe that prior to 11/22, LHO owned only three bullets and he used all but three bullets from a single box of 20 bullets months before the assassination?

I understand that we'll never know the answer to some questions but it's strange how little we know about where Oswald purchased his ammo and where he kept his stock of bullets.