I'm convinced - CE 399 is entirely bogus!

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Offline Lance Payette

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Re: I'm convinced - CE 399 is entirely bogus!
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2025, 02:50:42 PM »
The fact that the FBI forthrightly admitted in their July 7, 1964, report (aka Warren Commission Exhibit No. 2011) that neither Darrell Tomlinson nor O.P. Wright could positively identify the CE399 bullet is a very good indication that there's nothing phony about any of the verbiage we see in CE2011.

https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/12/marcus-tomlinson-interview-7-25-66.html

https://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/04/index.html#Darrell-Tomlinson-And-CE399

As you suggest, it seems to me that much supposed “evidence of conspiracy” actually points in the opposite direction.

I can sincerely stipulate that the condition of CE 399 in the context of the SBT is problematical, the recollections of Tomlinson and Wright are problematical, what Odum said is problematical, and the chain of custody of CE 399 is problematical even if we take Tomlinson and Wright out of the equation.

We then have to ask, “OK, what best explains all this?” If we say a conspiracy does, we then have to either answer the questions I have posed in a way that actually makes sense (which seems impossible to me) or hypothesize that the conspirators in a Presidential assassination were bungling fools who, again and again, made absurd decisions and couldn’t even cover their own tracks (which likewise seems impossible to me).

We are then left with the axiom that when you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, improbable as it may be, is the truth. In the utter chaos of the JFKA, a considerable amount of confusion and human error was inevitable. Hence, I accept CE 399 as a bullet that was fired from Oswald’s rifle, was found at Parkland, and probably did what the SBT posits (although I’m not even sure this is essential to the LN narrative).

The bottom line being that the unlikely condition of CE 399 and the defects in the chain of custody actually cut in favor of authenticity. If there had been a conspiracy surrounding CE 399, it would not be in the condition it is in, it would not have been found at Parkland, the Tomlinson-Wright scenario and confusion would never have been part of the record, and the chain of custody would have been as clean as a whistle.

The inability of CTers to grasp this reality tells me that their agenda is something other than the truth about the JFKA.

Offline Jon Banks

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Re: I'm convinced - CE 399 is entirely bogus!
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2025, 07:09:42 PM »
Anyone who believes the SBT = Gullible

And there are many reasons to doubt that CE399 struck both JFK and Connolly.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2025, 07:11:20 PM by Jon Banks »

Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: I'm convinced - CE 399 is entirely bogus!
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2025, 07:57:21 PM »
Anyone who believes the SBT = Gullible

And there are many reasons to doubt that CE399 struck both JFK and Connolly.
Really, maybe you are viewing the whole subject from the wrong perspective.

There is no reason to doubt SBT.

There is no possible way to explain the bullet wound in JBC’s back if the bullet does not first pass through JFK.

Offline Jon Banks

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Re: I'm convinced - CE 399 is entirely bogus!
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2025, 09:10:22 PM »

There is no reason to doubt SBT.

There are many reasons to doubt the SBT, which was invented only after it became clear that at least one shot missed the limo entirely. The initial FBI investigation didn't assume that JFK and Connolly were struck by the same bullet.


There is no possible way to explain the bullet wound in JBC’s back if the bullet does not first pass through JFK.

The Zapruder film all but proved that JFK and Connolly weren't struck by the same bullet (frame 225-268).
« Last Edit: April 15, 2025, 09:11:05 PM by Jon Banks »

Online Tom Graves

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Re: I'm convinced - CE 399 is entirely bogus!
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2025, 09:15:28 PM »
The Zapruder film all but proved that JFK and Connolly weren't struck by the same bullet (frame 225-268).

How are we to explain JBC's jacket's billowing outward and its lapel flapping outward between frames 223 and 224?

A particularly strong gust of wind?

Offline Jon Banks

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Re: I'm convinced - CE 399 is entirely bogus!
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2025, 09:32:05 PM »
How are we to explain JBC's jacket's billowing outward and its lapel flapping outward between frames 223 and 224?

A particularly strong gust of wind?

How do you explain JBC holding his hat next to his soon to be injured wrist over a second after JFK reacted to his throat wound?

Did the bullet pause in mid-air?
« Last Edit: April 15, 2025, 09:32:40 PM by Jon Banks »

Online Tom Graves

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Re: I'm convinced - CE 399 is entirely bogus!
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2025, 09:55:26 PM »
How do you explain JBC holding his hat next to his soon to be injured wrist over a second after JFK reacted to his throat wound?

Did the bullet pause in mid-air?

You need to do some more research, Banks.