For Weeks Before Assassination Oswald's Every Move Monitored By FBI/CIA

[Lance Payette]

After the fact of any violent act, there often some red flags.  Almost no one commits such extreme acts without some prior indication of being unbalanced.  Before the fact, however, an individual like Oswald would have fallen into a bucket with tens of thousands of other non-violent political loons that the FBI kept tabs on.  There were likely also thousands more with violent histories.  Nothing particularly distinguished Oswald from any other such other person.  It is only with the benefit of hindsight, that an argument can be made that the FBI should have singled out Oswald for greater scrutiny.  It is interesting that in this CTer fantasy it is implicitly conceded that Oswald was a violent person capable of assassinating JFK and that he did order and obtain a rifle.   Very interesting.

You've made exactly the point I was about to make to Watson: If Oswald was such a screamingly obvious threat to JFK, why would Watson have any difficulty in putting 2+2 together and accepting that Oswald did in fact shoot JFK? That's why I keep challenging Watson to explain what point he thinks he's making.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Banging my spoon on my high chair again: Here is Hosty in his WC testimony on what he thought about Oswald and what his, Hosty's, plans were to do with him. Note he said that he had 25-40 other cases to handle and he had other matters to take care of. And he was the *only* agent assigned to keep track of the Oswalds at that time. As he admitted, he took "no action" on the Oswalds from between November 5 and the assassination. Nothing.

Once again for the fourth? fifth? time, the original claim that the "FBI/CIA" were monitoring Oswald's "every move" weeks before the assassination is simply false. They weren't. Not only were they not monitoring his "every move" from November 5th onward they, i.e., Hosty, weren't monitoring him at all.

Whether they should have watched him more closely or not is another discussion. Hoover certainly thought so; or said so because he was covering for himself. But the agents in the field thought otherwise and what they *actually* did as opposed to what they were supposed to do is the question. And the answer is: Not a heckuva lot.

Mr. STERN. Putting that aside for the moment, what was your evaluation of Lee Harvey Oswald based on the work that you had done and the reports that you had made, the information you gathered early in November?
Mr. HOSTY. Well, there were many questions to be resolved. I was quite interested in determining the nature of his contact with the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City. I had not resolved that on the 22d of November. We were still waiting to resolve that. Prior to that, I mean that would be the only thing----
Mr. STERN. What had you planned to do after November 5 about this case?
Mr. HOSTY. Well as I had previously stated, I have between 25 and 40 cases assigned to me at any one time. I had other matters to take care of. I had now established that Lee Oswald was not employed in a sensitive industry. I can now afford to wait until New Orleans forwarded the necessary papers to me to show me I now had all the information. It was then my plan to interview Marina Oswald in detail concerning both herself and her husband's background.
Mr. STERN. Had you planned any steps beyond that point?
Mr. HOSTY. No. I would have to wait until I had talked to Marina to see what I could determine, and from there I could make my plans.
Mr. STERN. Did you take any action on this case. between November 5 and November 22?
Mr. HOSTY. No, sir.


https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/hosty.htm

[Charles Collins]

Banging my spoon on my high chair again: Here is Hosty in his WC testimony on what he thought about Oswald and what his, Hosty's, plans were to do with him. Note he said that he had 25-40 other cases to handle and he had other matters to take care of. And he was the *only* agent assigned to keep track of the Oswalds at that time. As he admitted, he took "no action" on the Oswalds from between November 5 and the assassination. Nothing.

Once again for the fourth? fifth? time, the original claim that the "FBI/CIA" were monitoring Oswald's "every move" weeks before the assassination is simply false. They weren't. Not only were they not monitoring his "every move" from November 5th onward they, i.e., Hosty, weren't monitoring him at all.

Whether they should have watched him more closely or not is another discussion. Hoover certainly thought so; or said so because he was covering for himself. But the agents in the field thought otherwise and what they *actually* did as opposed to what they were supposed to do is the question. And the answer is: Not a heckuva lot.

Mr. STERN. Putting that aside for the moment, what was your evaluation of Lee Harvey Oswald based on the work that you had done and the reports that you had made, the information you gathered early in November?
Mr. HOSTY. Well, there were many questions to be resolved. I was quite interested in determining the nature of his contact with the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City. I had not resolved that on the 22d of November. We were still waiting to resolve that. Prior to that, I mean that would be the only thing----
Mr. STERN. What had you planned to do after November 5 about this case?
Mr. HOSTY. Well as I had previously stated, I have between 25 and 40 cases assigned to me at any one time. I had other matters to take care of. I had now established that Lee Oswald was not employed in a sensitive industry. I can now afford to wait until New Orleans forwarded the necessary papers to me to show me I now had all the information. It was then my plan to interview Marina Oswald in detail concerning both herself and her husband's background.
Mr. STERN. Had you planned any steps beyond that point?
Mr. HOSTY. No. I would have to wait until I had talked to Marina to see what I could determine, and from there I could make my plans.
Mr. STERN. Did you take any action on this case. between November 5 and November 22?
Mr. HOSTY. No, sir.


https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/hosty.htm

In his book “Assignment Oswald”, Hosty explains why he had some legitimate concerns about Marina and the possibility of her being a “sleeper” agent for the Soviets. Hosty was in the security division of the FBI and mostly concerned with counter-espionage efforts.

[Watson Phillips]

On neither thread on which I have raised the issue have you addressed what you think the significance of all this is. We can stipulate that, in retrospect, the CIA and FBI were not as diligent and coordinated in monitoring Oswald as they should have been. I am not willing to stipulate that what they knew necessarily should have required notice to the SS, but I'll do so for the sake of argument. I am certainly not willing to stipulate that the SS would have found Oswald to be a threat and would have taken any action at all, but I'll even do that for the sake of argument.

The issue remains: What point are you making? Simply that the CIA and FBI dropped the ball? That this somehow factors into some JFKA conspiracy? That it somehow explains Oswald's patsy statement? Surely you can clearly and succinctly explain what point you're making - can't you?

I find your litany of Oswald's "Disciplinary Career" almost comical. THAT is the background of someone the CIA and FBI should have concluded was an obvious threat to JFK? Yep, those little fiends from the Bethlehem Children's Home should be on the SS's radar the rest of their lives.

So if a suicidal russian defector who stated in writing he would be more than happy to "kill Americans in Uniform if Russia was ever invaded"  (Oswald)  camped out in a 6th floor snipers nest close enough to spit on the motorcade , never gave Hosty not even millisecond of concern, Agent Hosty must have been significantly worried about some actual really bad ass Killers ?
Yes?

    I know you can name all the other real life bad ass killers that Hosty states in his tell all book  he was kept at awake at night worrying over as the president's visit drew near so why don't you just tell us who Agent Hosty states in his tell all book  was the number #1 Bad ass threat on the list he handed over to the Secret service ?
Must be a real scary individual that worried Hosty so much he placed him #1 on his official threat list ?
Please tell us who this real #1 bad ass Hosty says in his tell all book was the real threat he knew was capable of killing the President and just worried him so ?

[Lance Payette]

So if a suicidal russian defector who stated in writing he would be more than happy to "kill Americans in Uniform if Russia was ever invaded"  (Oswald)  camped out in a 6th floor snipers nest close enough to spit on the motorcade , never gave Hosty not even millisecond of concern, Agent Hosty must have been significantly worried about some actual really bad ass Killers ?
Yes?

    I know you can name all the other real life bad ass killers that Hosty states in his tell all book  he was kept at awake at night worrying over as the president's visit drew near so why don't you just tell us who Agent Hosty states in his tell all book  was the number #1 Bad ass threat on the list he handed over to the Secret service ?
Must be a real scary individual that worried Hosty so much he placed him #1 on his official threat list ?
Please tell us who this real #1 bad ass Hosty says in his tell all book was the real threat he knew was capable of killing the President and just worried him so ?

Your first sentence literally makes no sense.

Just explain the point you are trying to make. JUST DO THAT.

The FBI, you say, should have realized Oswald was an obvious threat to JFK and should have alerted the SS, but they didn't.

OK - and so what? Just explain in clear terms that even a LNer can understand what you think the significance of this is. How does it relate to whatever your pet conspiracy theory is? How does it relate to Oswald saying he was a patsy of the arresting officers?

[Watson Phillips]

Your first sentence literally makes no sense.

Just explain the point you are trying to make. JUST DO THAT.

The FBI, you say, should have realized Oswald was an obvious threat to JFK and should have alerted the SS, but they didn't.

OK - and so what? Just explain in clear terms that even a LNer can understand what you think the significance of this is. How does it relate to whatever your pet conspiracy theory is? How does it relate to Oswald saying he was a patsy of the arresting officers?

We know it wasn't Oswald that concerned the FBI at all because you told us so .
So Please do tell us  who the real scary, threatening, bad ass, violent person was that so worried Agent Hosty that day.
We know it was not Oswald, so it had to be somebody else ?
What's the name of the real assassin type individual Hosty identified in his tell all book who really concerned him and kept him up at night ?
Who was it that Agent Hosty states in his tell all book  that posed the real threat to assassinate the President in Dallas that day, and who occupied so many of the FBI's resources as they watched him like a hawk as the presidents Motorcade rolled thru town that day .


Please give the name of the person FBI Agent Hosty identified to the Secret Service Advance Team in writing as the #1 threat to assassinate the President in Dallas ?
We know it was not Oswald because you informed us of that .
So who does Agent Hosty state was the real super bad ass threat to the President in Dallas that day that he put at the top of his list ?

[Lance Payette]

We know it wasn't Oswald that concerned the FBI at all because you told us so .
So Please do tell us  who the real scary, threatening, bad ass, violent person was that so worried Agent Hosty that day.
We know it was not Oswald, so it had to be somebody else ?
What's the name of the real assassin type individual Hosty identified in his tell all book who really concerned him and kept him up at night ?
Who was it that Agent Hosty states in his tell all book  that posed the real threat to assassinate the President in Dallas that day, and who occupied so many of the FBI's resources as they watched him like a hawk as the presidents Motorcade rolled thru town that day .


Please give the name of the person FBI Agent Hosty identified to the Secret Service Advance Team in writing as the #1 threat to assassinate the President in Dallas ?
We know it was not Oswald because you informed us of that .
So who does Agent Hosty state was the real super bad ass threat to the President in Dallas that day that he put at the top of his list ?

Is it just me, or is anyone else noticing that Watson is rather pointedly avoiding the straightforward question as to what point he is trying to make?

I will move on because you clearly are unwilling or unable to answer what point you are trying make, to other than that you think Oswald was an obvious threat whom the FBI should have brought to the attention of the SS.

Is this your only point? You make no attempt to relate it to any conspiracy theory or to Oswald's claim of being a patsy? You just repeat "Oswald was an obvious threat" like a parrot? It seems to me you are expending an awful lot of energy if this is your only point, but I'll let others try to pin you down if they wish.

(Your thread title about "every move" being monitored by the FBI/CIA has been pretty well demolished, eh? The truth is pretty much the opposite.)

[Watson Phillips]

Is it just me, or is anyone else noticing that Watson is rather pointedly avoiding the straightforward question as to what point he is trying to make?

The point is you are quick to say who was not a concern to Hosty that day .
Namely Oswald.
So I am following up your assertion of who was of no concern to Agent Hosty by asking who was of his greatest concern?
Sort of like night follows day.
You have quoted Agent Hosty as saying Oswald was of no threat in his mind.
So who was the most serious threat to the President according to Agent Hosty?
There had to be somebody in Dallas that Hosty did believe was a real threat to assassinate the president
What was the name of this person who was a real actual threat who had Hosty's attention?
I can't be the first one who has ever asked such an obvious question.
If you don't know the answer, just say so rather than evading a simple question .