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Online Brian Doyle

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Anna Luna's JFK Conspiracy Circus
« Reply #28 on: Yesterday at 07:09:04 PM »


I would have been glad to escort Wanda Daniel to the Luna Hearing and have her tell of her grand mother Sarah Stanton meeting Oswald on the staircase landing outside of the 2nd Floor Lunch Room and hearing Oswald say he wasn't going down to the Front Steps to watch the motorcade but was going back in to the "Break Room" (2nd Floor Lunch Room) to eat his lunch instead...

Online John Corbett

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Re: Anna Luna's JFK Conspiracy Circus
« Reply #29 on: Today at 03:05:19 AM »
Michael Griffith thinks that because 2/3s of people believe in something that means what they believe is true. Or is somehow in some way relevant to what actually happened, to our understanding of what occurred. Do they know anything about the event? It doesn't matter; their view on what took place is somehow relevant regardless of whether they know a single thing about that event. That doesn't make a lick of sense except in conspiracy world.

Even worse, he thinks this non-existent poll of Western opinion seemingly means he gets a blank check for whatever conspiracy fantasy pops into his head. As in: he says Babushka Lady was June Cobb who, he says, was a CIA agent. And that it's "possible" she shot JFK with a gun camera. That's absurd but 2/3s of the people believe there was a conspiracy so, using Griffith's thinking, we need to seriously consider it. After all, you're ignoring what many people think.

Side bar: After ~60 years of this, after all of these investigations, I would have thought that the influence of JFK conspiracy propaganda would have gone away, that reason eventually would emerge. Boy, that was a dumb thought.

I would wager that a large chunk of that 2/3 learned most if not all they know about the JFKA from watching Oliver Stone's movie.

I don't know when the most recent poll was taken but the last one I am aware of showed belief in conspiracy was down to 61% with the undecideds in the low single digits.

Online Tom Graves

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Re: Anna Luna's JFK Conspiracy Circus
« Reply #30 on: Today at 04:01:58 AM »
[Michael Griffith] thinks this non-existent poll of Western opinion seemingly means he gets a blank check for whatever conspiracy fantasy pops into his head. As in: he says Babushka Lady was June Cobb whom, he says, was a CIA agent.

Whether or not she was a CIA agent, June Viola Cobb probably wasn't in Dealey Plaza on 22 November 1963.

It's interesting to note, however, that her Office of Security file is one of several that probable KGB mole Bruce Solie (James Angleton's confidant, mentor, and mole-hunting superior in the Office of Security who "cleared" false-defector-in-place-in-Geneva-in-June-1962, Yuri "The KGB Had Nothing to Do with LHO in the USSR" Nosenko, via a bogus polygraph exam and a specious report in October 1968) hid from the HSCA in 1978.

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ME: Was June Viola Cobb a CIA agent?

Perplexity AI: Yes—June (Viola June) Cobb was a CIA asset/contract agent, though the terminology matters. Declassified CIA material indicates that the Agency sought to recruit her in 1960 while she was employed by Castro’s government in Cuba; one document says she was “not used as an Agent” in the particular operation summarized there, but that refers to that limited early effort rather than her full later relationship.

What the record shows

Cobb worked in revolutionary Cuba as a translator and public-relations employee with access to figures around Fidel Castro. The CIA saw that position as potentially valuable and recruited her to collect information on the Castro government. Later declassified records and historical reporting identify her as a paid CIA operative, including under the cryptonym AMUPAS-1, during her Cuba-related work, and later in Mexico.

The apparent contradiction comes from reading one CIA file too broadly:

The CIA historical-review document says that, in the specific 1960 episode it describes, officials hoped to recruit Cobb “in place,” conducted surveillance and a polygraph, and states: “Although Subject was not used as an Agent,” she remained of operational interest for debriefing until roughly 1968.

Other declassified-document reporting says that she subsequently entered a formal operational relationship with the CIA, receiving compensation to penetrate and report on the Castro regime.

Best formulation

For historical writing, the most defensible phrasing would be:

June Cobb was a CIA-recruited and paid contract agent/asset who provided intelligence reporting on Cuba and later operated in the Mexico City milieu; she was not necessarily a CIA staff officer.

That distinction avoids two common errors:

Calling her merely an “informant,” which can understate the operational relationship documented in the record.

Calling her a CIA “employee” or career officer, which can imply a staff position not established by the available evidence.

Why it matters

Cobb later became relevant to JFK-assassination research because she reported information concerning alleged witnesses and Lee Harvey Oswald’s Mexico City visit. Her CIA relationship therefore bears directly on how researchers assess her accounts: she was not simply a politically engaged private witness, but someone whose reporting, access, motivations, and handling should be evaluated in the context of an intelligence relationship.

The short answer, then, is yes—but “CIA contract agent/asset” is more precise than the broad popular term “CIA agent.”

ME: I didn't ask if she was a staff officer.

Perplexity AI: You’re right. The direct answer is: yes, June Viola Cobb was a CIA agent.

The CIA’s own historical-review file uses the term “Agent” in discussing her prospective recruitment and handling, and the broader declassified record identifies her as a CIA operational asset who reported on Cuba and related matters. The qualification I added about staff status was unnecessary to your question.

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Online Mark A. Oblazney

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Re: Anna Luna's JFK Conspiracy Circus
« Reply #31 on: Today at 06:23:33 AM »
……… and just like that, the internet blew up and we all went analog agin’.  the end+

p.s.- fire up your ham radio now
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Online Tom Graves

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Re: Anna Luna's JFK Conspiracy Circus
« Reply #32 on: Today at 06:25:38 AM »
Fire up your ham radio, now.

Shove yours up your you-know-what.