Explain the logic of Prayer Man please

[Brian Doyle]

The woman's dress neckline seen in Chris Davidson's "High Key Filter" image of the 6th Floor Museum's 1st generation copy of Darnell is well-known...As is his enhancement of the sharp Wiegman frame...

[Zeon Mason]

The logic of PM=Oswald is plausible only if Oswald was selected post event as the most likely suspect due  to Tippit  shot and Oswald confronting McDonald in the Texas theater.

The MC rifle would have had  to be planted on the 6th floor of TSBD within about 50 minutes post shots presuming that Boone and Weitzman did actually find the rifle at 1:20 pm.

However Tom Aleya suggests a different later time for the MC rifle being found when he filmed it being lifted by Will Fritz. Aleya  also saw Fritz pick up the 3 shells before they were photographed and put them in his pocket. Fritz came back later and put the 3 shells back on the floor to be photographed.

So the alternate scenario here is that a conspirator shooter used a different rifle ( probably semi auto) and left 3 shells that were not MC shells. This shooter took his rifle with him and escaped out of TSBD ether unseen or mistaken as a plainclothes officer coming down the stairs as Luke Mooney went up.

Oswald’s account then of going  “out front” and he having selected out all the employees he could have selected, Jarman and Norman , would suggest that Oswald was sitting in the Domino room 1st floor at approx 12:23. He saw J/N returning thru the back loading dock door, Oswald then went to the front entrance lobby at 12:25 and he was looking thru the glass wall when he was seen by  Carolyn Arnold looking back at the TSBD.

Thus it is plausible that at 12:29 Oswald opened the front door INWARD , so that he   could have exited onto the front entrance landing without disturbing any of the others standing  out there. He could have easily slipped over to that west corner where he was be seen in the Darnell film raising some object up to mouth level. That object would be a Dr. Pepper bottle with a white oval logo on it. He then left that bottle by that.step where he had been standing one step lower than the top landing   Thus lowering him to appear to be only 5’-2” in height relative to BW Frazier.

 Because the current version of Darnell film has the PM figure with a white ring around the neck, the whole PM theory has been summarily dismissed so it would seem.

So despite some logical reasons why the PM figure could  be Oswald if it’s a post event framing job, until someone can prove the white ring was added to the latest version of Darnell, there is not hope for the PM=Oswald scenario to be proved.

[John Corbett]

The logic of PM=Oswald is plausible only if Oswald was selected post event as the most likely suspect due  to Tippit  shot and Oswald confronting McDonald in the Texas theater.

The MC rifle would have had  to be planted on the 6th floor of TSBD within about 50 minutes post shots presuming that Boone and Weitzman did actually find the rifle at 1:20 pm.

However Tom Aleya suggests a different later time for the MC rifle being found when he filmed it being lifted by Will Fritz. Aleya  also saw Fritz pick up the 3 shells before they were photographed and put them in his pocket. Fritz came back later and put the 3 shells back on the floor to be photographed.

So the alternate scenario here is that a conspirator shooter used a different rifle ( probably semi auto) and left 3 shells that were not MC shells. This shooter took his rifle with him and escaped out of TSBD ether unseen or mistaken as a plainclothes officer coming down the stairs as Luke Mooney went up.

Oswald’s account then of going  “out front” and he having selected out all the employees he could have selected, Jarman and Norman , would suggest that Oswald was sitting in the Domino room 1st floor at approx 12:23. He saw J/N returning thru the back loading dock door, Oswald then went to the front entrance lobby at 12:25 and he was looking thru the glass wall when he was seen by  Carolyn Arnold looking back at the TSBD.

Thus it is plausible that at 12:29 Oswald opened the front door INWARD , so that he   could have exited onto the front entrance landing without disturbing any of the others standing  out there. He could have easily slipped over to that west corner where he was be seen in the Darnell film raising some object up to mouth level. That object would be a Dr. Pepper bottle with a white oval logo on it. He then left that bottle by that.step where he had been standing one step lower than the top landing   Thus lowering him to appear to be only 5’-2” in height relative to BW Frazier.

 Because the current version of Darnell film has the PM figure with a white ring around the neck, the whole PM theory has been summarily dismissed so it would seem.

So despite some logical reasons why the PM figure could  be Oswald if it’s a post event framing job, until someone can prove the white ring was added to the latest version of Darnell, there is not hope for the PM=Oswald scenario to be proved.

Why would you go through all these mental gymnastics when there is a simple, straight forward, and obvious solution. Oswald shot and killed JFK and left the rifle behind as he fled the scene of the crime. That answer is compatible with all the available evidence. It is the only answer that is compatible with all the available evidence.

[Brian Doyle]

Why would you go through all these mental gymnastics when there is a simple, straight forward, and obvious solution. Oswald shot and killed JFK and left the rifle behind as he fled the scene of the crime. That answer is compatible with all the available evidence. It is the only answer that is compatible with all the available evidence.

We have already excluded that premise by multiple means from the paraffin test, to Sarah Stanton hearing Oswald say he was going back in to the Break Room, to Mrs Garner failing to see Oswald course across the 4th Floor staircase landing when required...Hosty admitted to Nigel Turner that Oswald said he was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room alone during the assassination...

To ignore all this is to pretend a falsehood that is intolerable under the circumstances...

[Brian Doyle]

Oswald’s account then of going  “out front” and he having selected out all the employees he could have selected, Jarman and Norman , would suggest that Oswald was sitting in the Domino room 1st floor at approx 12:23. He saw J/N returning thru the back loading dock door, Oswald then went to the front entrance lobby at 12:25 and he was looking thru the glass wall when he was seen by  Carolyn Arnold looking back at the TSBD.

All you are doing there is honoring Bart Kamp's already-refuted rubbish...

Just the bare skin of Sarah Stanton's chest, as seen in the 6th Floor Museum's 1st generation copy of Darnell, is proof enough that Prayer Man is rubbish...The whole theory was admitted to me by Greg Parker to have originated from himself and was then taken up by Sean Murphy...Greg Parker is an evidence-hacker and research undermining troll...

You have to be able to locate Sarah Stanton in order to prove she is somewhere else other than in the Prayer Man position...The Prayer Man people have not been able to credibly do that...Instead they gang up...Offer completely fabricated BS...And then work their crony moderators, podcasters, and insider clique in order to censor those with the correct evidence...

Any researcher with any common sense and research ability will realize Prayer Man has been proven to be Sarah Stanton six ways to Sunday and it needs to be accepted as refuted...

[Zeon Mason]

Why would you go through all these mental gymnastics when there is a simple, straight forward, and obvious solution. Oswald shot and killed JFK and left the rifle behind as he fled the scene of the crime. That answer is compatible with all the available evidence. It is the only answer that is compatible with all the available evidence.

Well I almost agree with you except for a few problems. I’ve gradually moved towards Oswald being the solitary shooter because otherwise it has to be explained why the conspirator shooter ( or 2) would have chosen Dealey Plaza and a moving target option which is the more difficult option when there were other places where JFK would be a stationary target without even SS agents or motorcycles in the way.

Lance asked if there was any logic to the prayer man= Oswald scenario and the best alternative I could manage was that it had to be a post event framing of Oswald because Lance already demonstrated how absurd it would be if it was a pre planned frame letting Oswald wander around and be outside at time of shooting.

So it was an interesting exercise trying to devise an alternative to the solitary TSBD shooter scenario which is certainly the simple solution but messed up by the handling of evidence and documenting and chain of custody issues. Then that Garner question ( did she wait 1 minute or was it only 30 secs?) IDK , but if it’s 1 minute then there’s no problem as the TSBD shooter could have gone down the stairs past the 4th floor landing easily by 1 min post shots.

[Brian Doyle]

   Dealey Plaza was a good slow down and turn similar to the Heydrich assassination...But that has nothing to do with the evidence that has already proven Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...The only two people not visible in Altgens 6 are Prayer Man and Frazier...That alone makes Prayer Man Stanton since we know she was on the top platform...

Garner said she ran right after Adams & Styles and heard them just running down the steps as Garner got to the 4th Floor staircase landing...Garner said the girls were already gone before the limousine entered the Triple Underpass...This timing means Garner was to the landing probably 40 seconds after the shots...Oswald would have needed to cross the 4th Floor landing at 70 seconds after the shots...This proves, dead to rights, that Oswald was in the Lunch Room the whole time...The reason Oswald got up from his lunch in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room and looked out the Lunch Room Vestibule door window was because he heard Adams & Styles clattering by on their way down the stairs...Garner never saw or heard Oswald because he was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination...