The education of Lance Payette re: LHO and probable "mole" Bruce Solie, et al.

[Lance Payette]

Didn't she have to receive permission from the government to marry her Handsome Princ Charming and leave The Worker's Paradise with him?

Certainly. I believe the Soviets wisely decided it was better to have Lee and Marina out of their hair than pouting and potentially stirring up the masses. What possible good could come to the Soviets from Lee and Marina remaining, and Lee had said he wouldn't leave without her. Where you see "KGB mystery" I see nothing but "Good riddance" on the part of the Soviets. "She was a loser anyway" was the explanation for the masses. No mystery to me at all.

[Tom Graves]

Certainly. I believe the Soviets wisely decided it was better to have Lee and Marina out of their hair than pouting and potentially stirring up the masses. What possible good could come to the Soviets from Lee and Marina remaining, and Lee had said he wouldn't leave without her. Where you see "KGB mystery" I see nothing but "Good riddance" on the part of the Soviets. "She was a loser anyway" was the explanation for the masses. No mystery to me at all.

Dear Lance,

I think you're naive as all get out (pardon the pun).

Questions:

Do you think the KGB and the CIA were equally devious, evil, and efficient during the Cold War?

Do you think . . . gasp . . . maybe the CIA was worse?

Do you really think the Soviets let Marina leave because Oswald pouted, "I refuse to leave without her!!!"?

Why did they let her marry the sharpshooting U-2 radar operator in the first place?  Hmm?

Why not bundle Oswald up and drop him off at the American Embassy with a note pinned to his shirt saying, "He's your problem, not ours"?

Do you believe Yuri Nosenko when he said that he, as Oswald's KGB case officer (really?), wanted to expel Oswald after his "suicide attempt," but the most powerful woman in the USSR, Yekaterina Furtseva, demanded that he be allowed to stay and that he NOT be recruited by the KGB because [I forget her lame reason . . . I'll look it up and fill it in later.].

The following is what former CIA officer and probable KGB "mole" Leonard V. McCoy wrote in his review of Edward J. Epstein's 1977 book, "Legend: The Secret World of Lee Harvey Oswald."

My comments are in brackets.

In his extensive coverage of Oswald's biography, especially his military service, as an argument as to why the KGB should have been interested in his background, Epstein is following the thinking of Nosenko's [evil, evil] handlers. While he mentions the fact of Oswald's suicide attempt in Moscow as possibly causing KGB doubts as to his reliability, there is no mention of the fact that Khrushchev's close friend, Minister of Culture Furtseva , with her reputed strong influence over the KGB, had [allegedly] forbidden their interviewing Oswald.

[Interestingly, Furtseva’s KGB officer son-in-law, Igor Kochnov, contacted the FBI in 1965 and then, without the FBI’s or Kochnov’s informing the CIA of the relationship between himself and the Bureau, called new CIA Director Richard Helms at home in June 1966 and offered to “work with” the CIA – which nine year on-again-off-again “collaboration” ended in disaster when Leonard V. McCoy and probable KGB "mole" Bruce Leonard Solie managed to “lose” CIA’s spy and former GRU defector, Nicholas Shadrin, to KGB kidnappers in Vienna in 1975.]

-- Tom

[Lance Payette]

I think you're naive as all get out (pardon the pun).

Questions:

Do you think the KGB and the CIA were equally devious, evil, and efficient during the Cold War?

Do you think . . . gasp . . . maybe the CIA was worse?

Do you really think the Soviets let Marina leave because Oswald pouted, "I refuse to leave without her!!!"?

Why did they let her marry the sharpshooting U-2 radar operator in the first place?  Hmm?

Why not bundle Oswald up and drop him off at the American Embassy with a note pinned to his shirt saying, "He's your problem, not ours"?

I'm not going to play Twenty Questions indefinitely.

I'll turn your characterization of me as naive around on you: Having spent decades working for federal, state, county and municipal agencies, I think you are naive about the extent to which incompetence, laziness, confusion, office politics and all the rest permeate every bureaucracy, including the CIA and KGB. Folks hung up on CIA and KGB-oriented theories constantly find dark meaning in things that in my opinion have no meaning at all and attempt to connect with dark speculation dots that really have no connection at all.

With that, there have been WAY too many posts from me on this forum in recent days (I'm housebound with a bad foot) and I'm going to go haunt the religious forums for a while.

[Tom Graves]

I'm not going to play Twenty Questions indefinitely.

I'll turn your characterization of me as naive around on you: Having spent decades working for federal, state, county and municipal agencies, I think you are naive about the extent to which incompetence, laziness, confusion, office politics and all the rest permeate every bureaucracy, including the CIA and KGB. Folks hung up on CIA and KGB-oriented theories constantly find dark meaning in things that in my opinion have no meaning at all and attempt to connect with dark speculation dots that really have no connection at all.

With that, there have been WAY too many posts from me on this forum in recent days (I'm housebound with a bad foot) and I'm going to go haunt the religious forums for a while.

Dear Lance,

Unfortunately, I was evidently still editing my post when you replied to it.

Here's the rest of it:

Do you believe Yuri Nosenko when he said that he, as Oswald's KGB case officer (really?), wanted to expel Oswald after his "suicide attempt," but the most powerful woman in the USSR, Yekaterina Furtseva, demanded that he be allowed to stay and that he NOT be recruited by the KGB because [I forget her lame reason . . . I'll look it up and fill it in later.].

The following is what former CIA officer and probable KGB "mole" Leonard V. McCoy wrote in his review of Edward J. Epstein's 1977 book, "Legend: The Secret World of Lee Harvey Oswald."

My comments are in brackets.

In his extensive coverage of Oswald's biography, especially his military service, as an argument as to why the KGB should have been interested in his background, Epstein is following the thinking of Nosenko's [evil, evil] handlers. While he mentions the fact of Oswald's suicide attempt in Moscow as possibly causing KGB doubts as to his reliability, there is no mention of the fact that Khrushchev's close friend, Minister of Culture Furtseva , with her reputed strong influence over the KGB, had [allegedly] forbidden their interviewing Oswald.

[Interestingly, Furtseva’s KGB officer son-in-law, Igor Kochnov, contacted the FBI in 1965 and then, without the FBI’s or Kochnov’s informing the CIA of the relationship between himself and the Bureau, called new CIA Director Richard Helms at home in June 1966 and offered to “work with” the CIA – which nine year on-again-off-again “collaboration” ended in disaster when Leonard V. McCoy and probable KGB "mole" Bruce Leonard Solie managed to “lose” CIA’s spy and former GRU defector, Nicholas Shadrin, to KGB kidnappers in Vienna in 1975.]

-- Tom