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Zeon Mason:
Well Lance, if an obvious “pointed” nose bullet was found on the JC stretcher, it’s totally illogical that it was planted there by a conspirator. Agree on that point yes?
And planting CE 399 on the stretcher doesn’t make sense either because it’s kind of too early to have all the medical info and xrays of JC plus know the trajectory path, for the conspirators to know how much to deform the bullet to match.
Agree on that yes?
So presuming that 4 witness think they saw a “pointed” bullet which none of them remembered being deformed , flattened partially, with extruding lead , or a knicked BALL shaped nose, then one must conclude it’s not very probable that CE 399 was the bullet they saw.
Therefore I propose the scenario the “pointed” bullet most likely had fallen out of JCs thigh , rolled off the side of stretcher into the gap, then was found later by Wright , that it was placed in that envelope marked 7.65mm and sent up To higher FBI.
Then , after more information known about the trajectory , and medical report of JC and type rifle found in TSBD, that somebody realized the problem and switched the 7.65mm pointed bullet for a 6.5mm MC ball nosed bullet which they could have squeezed a little with pliers and removed a tiny portion of the nose so as to match with the % of flakes they knew about from having observed JC medical report and seeing the X-rays.
LNs have argued that the minimal deformation of CE 399 is not so improbable given the path of the bullet in the SBT trajectory.
So I’m asking if a conical shaped 7.65 mm bullet could follow this same trajectory and be even less deformed than CE 339 is? So minimally deformed as to be not noticeable by the 4 witnesses?
Equally a question, if CE 399 was the bullet that the 4 witness saw, would they not have noticed the deformation, the squeezed out portion of lead and the small chip in the obvious BALL shaped nose?
Lance Payette:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on September 14, 2025, 06:44:57 PM ---Well Lance, if an obvious “pointed” nose bullet was found on the JC stretcher, it’s totally illogical that it was planted there by a conspirator. Agree on that point yes?
And planting CE 399 on the stretcher doesn’t make sense either because it’s kind of too early to have all the medical info and xrays of JC plus know the trajectory path, for the conspirators to know how much to deform the bullet to match.
Agree on that yes?
So presuming that 4 witness think they saw a “pointed” bullet which none of them remembered being deformed , flattened partially, with extruding lead , or a knicked BALL shaped nose, then one must conclude it’s not very probable that CE 399 was the bullet they saw.
Therefore I propose the scenario the “pointed” bullet most likely had fallen out of JCs thigh , rolled off the side of stretcher into the gap, then was found later by Wright , that it was placed in that envelope marked 7.65mm and sent up To higher FBI.
Then , after more information known about the trajectory , and medical report of JC and type rifle found in TSBD, that somebody realized the problem and switched the 7.65mm pointed bullet for a 6.5mm MC ball nosed bullet which they could have squeezed a little with pliers and removed a tiny portion of the nose so as to match with the % of flakes they knew about from having observed JC medical report and seeing the X-rays.
LNs have argued that the minimal deformation of CE 399 is not so improbable given the path of the bullet in the SBT trajectory.
So I’m asking if a conical shaped 7.65 mm bullet could follow this same trajectory and be even less deformed than CE 339 is? So minimally deformed as to be not noticeable by the 4 witnesses?
Equally a question, if CE 399 was the bullet that the 4 witness saw, would they not have noticed the deformation, the squeezed out portion of lead and the small chip in the obvious BALL shaped nose?
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You lost me there. Tomlinson, not Wright, found the bullet. Tomlinson gave it to Wright, who put it in his pocket and then gave it to Johnsen.
Who are the four witnesses who think they saw a pointed bullet? No one said that until Thompson and Aguilar spoke with Wright in 1967 - and then even that story became quite confused when Wright later telephoned Thompson (see the Thompson presentation that Tim Nickerson posted in the chain of custody thread). In fact, Tomlinson - the guy who found the bullet - said CE 399 looked like what he found.
Do I think Tomlinson, Wright and Johnsen would have noticed the damage to CE 399? I would say "very unlikely." On casual examination, it really does look quite pristine. My guess would be, neither Tomlinson nor Wright necessarily connected it to the JFKA or paid all that much attention (Wright was merely the Parkland personnel director). I think if either Tomlinson or Wright had noticed the damage to CE 399, one or both would have identified it when asked by the FBI at Rankin's request: "Sure, that's it - I remember the way it was flattened at the bottom."
Lastly, it seems inconceivable to me that anyone informed about JFK's and JBC's wounds would have fabricated CE 399 as the explanation for those wounds. It may actually be the explanation as the SBT posits, but if you gave 1000 ballistics experts a description of the wounds and asked them to fabricate a bullet responsible for them, I am confident you would not get ONE that looked like CE 399. This actually cuts in favor of CE 399's authenticity - no one would generate a fake that looked THAT implausible.
I'm also still puzzled as to the supposed need for a fake. Why not just say the bullet on the stretcher had nothing to do with the JFKA? If you think you need more evidence to explain the wounds, create a badly damaged bullet or some more fragments with Oswald's rifle and say they were found in the limo.
I just don't see how a conspiratorial explanation makes any sense.
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