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The Warren Commission Sham
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on April 02, 2025, 09:57:12 AM ---Although your syntax is tortuous as all heck, I think I understand what you're trying to say, so let me pose a couple of questions to you:
Do you agree that the bullet had slowed down considerably by the time it hit JBC's radial bone?
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It definitely slowed down.
--- Quote ---Do you agree that it was tumbling when it hit JBC's radial bone?
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No
--- Quote ---If not, how do you explain the 15mm x 6mm entry wound in JBC's back, the fact that it rode along JBC's fifth rib for several centimeters, and the very large exit wound in JBC's chest?
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There was a large exit wound in JBC's chest because so much bone/tissue was blown out of his chest causing his jacket to bulge forward for a split second, as seen in the Z-film.
It has nothing to do with a tumbling bullet.
We know this by the size of the bullet hole in the front of JBC's jacket
Look at the size of the hole compared to the button. You're well within your rights to interpret that as evidence of a tumbling bullet but I won't be joining you on that ride.
One question though - if the bullet was rotating and it entered JBC's wrist base-first, how did it enter JBC's thigh base-first as well?
--- Quote ---You posted earlier:
"JFK and JBC were shot through by the first bullet. This bullet fragmented upon striking JBC's wrist bone. The second bullet was the headshot. This bullet also fragmented. Some of these fragments struck the windshield and chrome trim causing Greer and Kellerman to duck from the 'flurry' of shots."
What happened to the fragments from the bullet that passed through JFK and hit JBC's wrist?
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The largest fragment deflected away from the wrist and lodged itself in JBC's thigh. As he was being moved from his stretcher to the examining table it fell on the floor making a noise similar to a "wedding band" hitting the floor. This large fragment of bullet was picked up by a nurse who showed it to Henry Wade who was there visiting his good freind Connally. Wade told the nurse to give the bullet to a police officer. Apparently, she put the large bullet fragment in a small envelope and gave it to Texas Highway Patrolman Bob Nolan. At some point on it's journey this large bullet fragment magically transformed into four small bullet fragments.
A much smaller piece broke off the bullet, passed through the wrist bone and created a small slit-like exit wound in the crease of the wrist.
Question - how did a rotating bullet smashing through bone and tissue create a small slit-like exit wound as it blew through the wrist?
How unusual it was to have an exit wound that was much smaller that the entry wound ;)
Where did this small fragment go?
It probably ended up in the Secret Service mop bucket that was (quite unbelievably) used to destroy the crime scene, probably along with a lot of other ballistic evidence.
If only a proper investigation of the crime scene had been conducted.
Jim Hawthorn:
Dan,
I agree that the small hole does not fit the theory of a "tumbling" bullet, or one that has been simply tilted. So if that bullet was still following a linear trajectory how could it have left the dispersed fragments in Connelly's wrist?
Dan O'meara:
I'm assuming that part of the metal jacket sheared off, Jim.
The bullet strikes JBC's wrist bone nose-on at a slightly oblique angle.
Part of the jacket near the nose shears off and travels through the wrist bone, exiting the wrist through the small slit-like exit wound in the crease of Connally's wrist.
Small fragments of the inner bullet are blasted off in different directions, some forming a 'trail' where the fragment of jacket travels.
The large bullet fragment deflects away from the wrist and enters JBC's thigh nose-on.
A small fragment escapes from the exposed nose and is left in JBC's thigh.
Zeon Mason:
@Dan: Are you suggesting that it’s plausible that an MC 6.5 mm ball nosed bullet WAS the bullet that hit JC , only that it fragmented and was more deformed than CE 399?
If so, then what is the reason to substitute the CE399 MC bullet for an actual MC bullet that hit JC?
Imo the reason would be that the MC bullet and fragments recovered from JC could not be matched to the barrel grooves of the MC rifle found on the 6th floor TSBD.
And that it might be that Oswalds MC rifle was not even fired that day but was planted in the boxes sometime in the early am hours of Friday morning?
But that’s not likely what a solitary conspirator shooter intending to set up Oswald would do because it’s a lot easier to just use the MC rifle that has a mail order paper trail to Oswald’s P.O. Box. And the shells left behind and any bullets recovered be matched to the rifle.
And it seems equally unlikely that a solitary conspirator shooter would use a completely different type rifle firing conical shaped bullets while leaving behind the MC rifle, because the bullets recovered will not match the MC rifle.
So this idea that CE399 was substituted for any other type bullet that was recovered really is only plausible if there was a 2nd shooter who fired a bullet at Z224 and that bullet when found did not match the MC rifle found on the 6th floor.
It is difficult to work out the firing sequence for the 2nd shooter if the 1st shot heard by anyone was at Z224 and how to reconcile that with Norman hearing all 3 shots right above him.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on April 02, 2025, 06:46:12 PM ---Tom Graves asks: "In your scenario, what happened to the fragments from the bullet that passed through JFK and hit JBC's wrist?"
My answer: The largest fragment deflected away from the wrist and lodged itself in JBC's thigh. As he was being moved from his stretcher to the examining table it fell on the floor making a noise similar to a "wedding band" hitting the floor. This large fragment of bullet was picked up by a nurse who showed it to Henry Wade who was there visiting his good friend Connally. Wade told the nurse to give the bullet to a police officer. Apparently, she put the large bullet fragment in a small envelope and gave it to Texas Highway Patrolman Bob Nolan. At some point on its journey this large bullet fragment magically transformed into four small bullet fragments. A much smaller piece broke off the bullet, passed through the wrist bone and created a small slit-like exit wound in the crease of the wrist. It probably ended up in the Secret Service mop bucket that was (quite unbelievably) used to destroy the crime scene, probably along with a lot of other ballistic evidence.
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LOL!
Who created CE-399, how did they create it, why did they create it, and who gave it to FBI agent Elmer Todd?
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