A hole in Bledsoe's story?

[Martin Weidmann]

What made the Bledsoe visit stand out is that they took the shirt to her home before her WC testimony.

The FBI had no way of knowing on 12/4/63 that there was even going to be any WC testimony. Why does this supposedly “stand out” or even matter? It is only typical CT nonsense that tries (and fails) to make something out of nothing at all.

The FBI had no way of knowing on 12/4/63 that there was even going to be any WC testimony.

The Warren Commission, was established by LBJ through Executive Order 11130 on November 29, 1963, to investigate the assassination.
How do you suppose they could conduct their investigation without interviewing witnesses?
Do you really think Hoover was unaware about what was going to happen?

And if - as you claim - they didn't know that witnesses would be interviewed, what was the point of the Bledsoe visit?

[Charles Collins]

The FBI had no way of knowing on 12/4/63 that there was even going to be any WC testimony.

The Warren Commission, was established by LBJ through Executive Order 11130 on November 29, 1963, to investigate the assassination.
How do you suppose they could conduct their investigation without interviewing witnesses?
Do you really think Hoover was unaware about what was going to happen?

And if - as you claim - they didn't know that witnesses would be interviewed, what was the point of the Bledsoe visit?

The Warren Commission didn’t even have a formal meeting until after this FBI interview. The WC had not even yet organized themselves or decided how to proceed. That is the point.

The FBI had already been tasked with investigating the facts of what happened. Bledsoe had already come forward and sworn that she knew LHO and had seen him on the bus just after the assassination. The FBI was obligated to interview her.

[Martin Weidmann]

The Warren Commission didn’t even have a formal meeting until after this FBI interview. The WC had not even yet organized themselves or decided how to proceed. That is the point.

The FBI had already been tasked with investigating the facts of what happened. Bledsoe had already come forward and sworn that she knew LHO and had seen him on the bus just after the assassination. The FBI was obligated to interview her.

The FBI was obligated to interview her.

Bledsoe had only given the affidavit, shown below, to the DPD.

AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS
BEFORE ME, Patsy Collins, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared Mrs. Mary E. Bledsoe, w/f 67, 621 N. Marsalis, Dallas, Texas, Telephone WH2-1985 who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

Last Friday, November 22, 1963, I went downtown to see the President. I stood on Main Street just across the street from Titche's until the parade passed by. The I walked over to Elm Street and caught a bus to go home. The bus traveled West on Elm Street to about Murphy Street and made a stop and that is when I saw Lee Oswald get on the bus. The traffic was heavy and it took quite sometime [sic] to travel two or three blocks. During that time someone made the statement that the President had been shot and while the bus was stopped due to the heavy traffic, Oswald got off the bus and I didn't see him again. I know this man was Lee Oswald because he lived in my home from October 7, 1963 to October 14, 1963.

/s/ Mrs. Mary E. Bledsoe

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 23rd DAY OF November A.D. 1963

/s/ Patsy Collins
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas

There was no mention of Oswald's shirt.

So, even if the FBI was obligated to interview Bledsoe, why did they take Oswald's shirt to her home?

[Charles Collins]

The FBI was obligated to interview her.

Bledsoe had only given the affidavit, shown below, to the DPD.

AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS
BEFORE ME, Patsy Collins, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared Mrs. Mary E. Bledsoe, w/f 67, 621 N. Marsalis, Dallas, Texas, Telephone WH2-1985 who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

Last Friday, November 22, 1963, I went downtown to see the President. I stood on Main Street just across the street from Titche's until the parade passed by. The I walked over to Elm Street and caught a bus to go home. The bus traveled West on Elm Street to about Murphy Street and made a stop and that is when I saw Lee Oswald get on the bus. The traffic was heavy and it took quite sometime [sic] to travel two or three blocks. During that time someone made the statement that the President had been shot and while the bus was stopped due to the heavy traffic, Oswald got off the bus and I didn't see him again. I know this man was Lee Oswald because he lived in my home from October 7, 1963 to October 14, 1963.

/s/ Mrs. Mary E. Bledsoe

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 23rd DAY OF November A.D. 1963

/s/ Patsy Collins
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas

There was no mention of Oswald's shirt.

So, even if the FBI was obligated to interview Bledsoe, why did they take Oswald's shirt to her home?

And as far as the obligation to interview witnesses goes, can you show me the FD 302 for the interviews with Tomlinson and Wright? And, btw, I'm not talking about the alleged Odum interviews, because no FD 302's have ever been found for those.

Maybe they just wanted to know whether or not Bledsoe would recognize the shirt. I have already said this. The point is that none of this is weird or stands out for any reason whatsoever.

[Martin Weidmann]

Maybe they just wanted to know whether or not Bledsoe would recognize the shirt. I have already said this. The point is that none of this is weird or stands out for any reason whatsoever.

Maybe, perhaps, could have..... words LNs frequently use when they can't answer the question.

Well, rather than guessing, let me provide you with an actual fact;

The FD 302 dated December 4, 1963 about the visit at Bledsoe's home, written by Agents Brown and Butler, states; "When the shirt was removed from an envelope in which it was contained, Mrs. Bledsoe at first said "No no. That's not the shirt".

and "Upon further examination of the shirt, she observed a hole in the right elbow of the shirt at which time she quickly stated, "Yes, yes. This is the shirt".....

Four months later, during her WC testimony she said;

Mr. BALL - Commission Exhibit 150.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is it.
Mr. BALL - This is a shirt.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is it.
Mr. BALL - What do you mean by "that is it?"
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Because they brought it out to the house and showed it.
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Mr. BALL - Had you ever seen the shirt before that?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well---
Mr. BALL - Have you?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; he had it on, though.
Mr. BALL - Who had it on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Oswald.
Mr. BALL - Oswald had it on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Oswald had it on.
Mr. BALL - Now, what is there about the shirt that makes you believe that this is the shirt that Oswald had on when he was on the bus? What is there about it?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, let's see the front of it. Yes See all this [indicating]? I remember that.
Mr. BALL - Tell me what you see there?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I saw the---no; not so much that. It was done after---that is part I recognize more than anything.
Mr. BALL - You are pointing to a hole in the right elbow?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.

So, first she told the FBI agents that it wasn't the shirt, only to then suddenly changing her mind when she sees a hole in the right sleeve. And then, four months later she identifies the shirt as the one shown to her by the FBI agents. But when asked if she had ever seen the shirt "before that" (meaning the FBI visit) she says "No" only to instantly follow it up by saying that "Oswald had it on". And then, when asked how she knows this is the shirt was wearing on the bus she again goes back to the hole in the right sleeve she had observed during the FBI visit.

Could it be, that maybe, perhaps, the FBI took the shirt to Bledsoe to ensure that she had seen it before giving testimony and she screwed it up nevertheless?

[Charles Collins]

Maybe, perhaps, could have..... words LNs frequently use when they can't answer the question.

Well, rather than guessing, let me provide you with an actual fact;

The FD 302 dated December 4, 1963 about the visit at Bledsoe's home, written by Agents Brown and Butler, it states; "When the short was removed from an envelope in which it was contained, Mrs. Bledsoe at first said "No no. That's not the shirt".

and "Upon further examination of the shirt, she observed a hole in the right elbow of the shirt at which time she quickly stated, "Yes, yes. This is the shirt".....

Four months later, during her WC testimony she said;

Mr. BALL - Commission Exhibit 150.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is it.
Mr. BALL - This is a shirt.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is it.
Mr. BALL - What do you mean by "that is it?"
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Because they brought it out to the house and showed it.
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Mr. BALL - Had you ever seen the shirt before that?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well---
Mr. BALL - Have you?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; he had it on, though.
Mr. BALL - Who had it on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Oswald.
Mr. BALL - Oswald had it on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Oswald had it on.
Mr. BALL - Now, what is there about the shirt that makes you believe that this is the shirt that Oswald had on when he was on the bus? What is there about it?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, let's see the front of it. Yes See all this [indicating]? I remember that.
Mr. BALL - Tell me what you see there?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I saw the---no; not so much that. It was done after---that is part I recognize more than anything.
Mr. BALL - You are pointing to a hole in the right elbow?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.

So, first she told the FBI agents that it wasn't the shirt, only to then suddenly changing her mind when she sees a hole in the right sleeve. And then, four months later she identifies the shirt as the one shown to her by the FBI agents. But when asked if she had ever seen the shirt "before that" (meaning the FBI visit) she says "No" only to instantly follow it up by saying that "Oswald had it on". And then, when asked how she knows this is the shirt was wearing on the bus she again goes back to the hole in the right sleeve she had observed during the FBI visit.

Could it be, that maybe, perhaps, the FBI took the shirt to Bledsoe to ensure that she had seen it before giving testimony and she screwed it up nevertheless?

Could it be, that maybe, perhaps, the FBI took the shirt to Bledsoe to ensure that she had seen it before giving testimony and she screwed it up nevertheless?

As I said before, the FBI (on 12/4/63) had no way of knowing how the Warren Commission was going to proceed. According to Howard Willens (History Will Prove Us Right, page 35):

Hoover staked out a clear position from the outset: if the president had to have this commission, its function should be to receive the FBI’s report, review it, ask questions aimed at clarifying its findings, then endorse the report and disband.

That was apparently the mindset of the FBI at that point in time. The FBI had not yet even submitted its report to JFK. Yet, your fantasy has them plotting to establish something so that Bledsoe would testify a certain way?  It is astonishing that anyone could actually believe such a scenario as you described it.

[John Mytton]

Maybe they just wanted to know whether or not Bledsoe would recognize the shirt. I have already said this. The point is that none of this is weird or stands out for any reason whatsoever.

This entire thread is an embarrassment, from the abortion induced OP through to the pointless accusations being thrown around with gay abandon.

1) The FBI showing the shirt to Bledsoe was no secret, they gave a truthful summary which included Bledsoe's initial apprehension and even wrote a report which is accessible.
2) The WC/FBI which has had many accusations of altering testimony didn't in this case
3) The author of the OP alludes to some great mystery regarding the significance of Oswald wearing "that" shirt on the bus, but when confronted resorts to ad hominems, the weakest most pathetic form of rebuttal.
4) For reason I outlined in my previous posts, Oswald in his flight from the scene of the crime was on that bus, he even admitted to various Law Enforcement agents, he was on that bus.
5) Oswald was wearing that shirt later that same day, in fact he was arrested wearing it and now it is within the archives and part of history.
6) Stomberg testified that the three distinctly unique threads found on that rifle had a strong probability of coming from Oswald's shirt but he could not say when they were transferred.

This thread has degenerated into yet another feeble attempt to imply that this singular insignificant event somehow is reason to create doubt, but it is nothing of the kind because all of this evidence hasn't been deliberately hidden but was actually published as part of the record.

JohnM