Any CIA disinformation agents here?

[John Mytton]

Let's see.  Within 24 hours they knew that LHO worked in the building from which the shots were fired, that his rifle was found there, that he had fled the scene, got a gun and killed a police officer, and that he was a political nut.  A rock-solid case based on the evidence.  There was no rush to judgment.  There was an assessment of the evidence which overwhelmingly linked Oswald to the crime for which he was charged within 24 hours.  That is unchanged to this day.

Agreed.
I will also add, evidence discovered by Satur.day evening of conciseness of guilt.

Getting on and off a slow bus.
Getting out of his cab way past his rooming house.
Hiding in a theatre.
Resisting arrest.
Trying to kill more Police.
Two FBI agents Hosty and Bookout were at the Friday and Satur.day interrogations and heard Oswald deny purchasing or owning the rifle and Oswald denying the backyard photos and refusing to take a polygraph.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Agreed.
I will also add, evidence discovered by Satur.day evening of conciseness of guilt.

Getting on and off a slow bus.
Getting out of his cab way past his rooming house.
Hiding in a theatre.
Resisting arrest.
Trying to kill more Police.
Two FBI agents Hosty and Bookout were at the Friday and Satur.day interrogations and heard Oswald deny purchasing or owning the rifle and Oswald denying the backyard photos and refusing to take a polygraph.

JohnM

Would you like to live in a country where anybody can be declared guilty by the highest law enforcement officer before any credible investigation has taken place?

[John Mytton]

Would you like to live in a country where anybody can be declared guilty by the highest law enforcement officer before any credible investigation has taken place?

I don't know what time on Satur.day the LBJ Hoover call took place but this is what Hoover had to work with by the Satur.day evening.

Rifle found on 6th floor belonged to Oswald.
The blanket that contained the rifle was empty on the afternoon of the assassination.
Robert A Frazier just before midnight on the 22nd received CE399 and two bullet fragments from the Limo and started work the next morning and determined that all fragments passed through Oswald's rifle.
The shells in the sniper's nest were exclusively linked to Oswald's rifle.
Linnie Mae Randall told the FBI that the bag was 3 feet long.
Frazier says Oswald took a long bag to work.
The Bag found on 6th floor with Oswald's prints was found on the 6th floor.
Oswald immediately flees and takes a bus, get's off after a couple of blocks then takes a cab to a location way past his Rooming house.
Oswald kills a cop.
Oswald resists arrest and tries to kill more cops.
Oswald has an alias that bought the rifle.
Oswald denies buying a rifle.
Oswald denies owning a rifle.
Oswald refusing to take a polygraph.
Oswald says that somebody put his head on someone else's body in the backyard photo.
Oswald defected to Russia.

I think Hoover had every right to declare Oswald as guilty because in anyone's book this is powerful solid evidence that so far has withstood the test of time, CT's have rightfully questioned some of this evidence but so far haven't disproved any of it, much less provide a viable credible alternative.

JohnM
 

[Jake Maxwell]

I don't know what time on Satur.day the LBJ Hoover call took place but this is what Hoover had to work with by the Satur.day evening.

Rifle found on 6th floor belonged to Oswald.
The blanket that contained the rifle was empty on the afternoon of the assassination.
Robert A Frazier just before midnight on the 22nd received CE399 and two bullet fragments from the Limo and started work the next morning and determined that all fragments passed through Oswald's rifle.
The shells in the sniper's nest were exclusively linked to Oswald's rifle.
Linnie Mae Randall told the FBI that the bag was 3 feet long.
Frazier says Oswald took a long bag to work.
The Bag found on 6th floor with Oswald's prints was found on the 6th floor.
Oswald immediately flees and takes a bus, get's off after a couple of blocks then takes a cab to a location way past his Rooming house.
Oswald kills a cop.
Oswald resists arrest and tries to kill more cops.
Oswald has an alias that bought the rifle.
Oswald denies buying a rifle.
Oswald denies owning a rifle.
Oswald refusing to take a polygraph.
Oswald says that somebody put his head on someone else's body in the backyard photo.
Oswald defected to Russia.

I think Hoover had every right to declare Oswald as guilty because in anyone's book this is powerful solid evidence that so far has withstood the test of time, CT's have rightfully questioned some of this evidence but so far haven't disproved any of it, much less provide a viable credible alternative.

JohnM

Oswald is led to believe he is being brought in on a plot to kill the president, and Oswald volunteers to bring his rifle to the Depository...

There you go, that answers about half of your allegations...

Oswald realizes at some point following the assassination, that he might be falsely accused of shooting the gun that he brought to the Depository, so he tries to flee the scene...

Oswald denies all allegations believing an attorney will come to his aid, and that his one phone call - which was diverted from his "handler" and never went through, according to the testimony of switchboard operators - would give him assistance...

Switchboard operators at the Dallas police station claimed that, on the night of November 23, 1963, Oswald tried to make a long-distance call to Raleigh, North Carolina.
According to Ruth Paine’s testimony, Oswald never made a completed call.
Two switchboard operators later stated that they were told not to put the call through and to never speak of it.


No question about it... and most all reasonable skilled attorneys would agree... Hoover and all who tried to "close the case" within 48 hours and pronounce Oswald guilty, acting alone... rushed to judgment, causing great and reasonable suspicion that the accusing parties just might be accomplices in a frame-up...


 

[Lance Payette]

Oswald is led to believe he is being brought in on a plot to kill the president, and Oswald volunteers to bring his rifle to the Depository...

By what sort of logic does this make sense? Oswald is told to wait in a lunchroom or wherever until summoned for his unspecified role in a Presidential assassination, and he volunteers "Hey, I've got an old Carcano I'll go home and get if you're short on weapons." And the conspirators think an old Carcano sounds like a good idea? What? Hello? And then you have to explain all the post-assassination events from Tippit to the Texas Theater to his complete lack of cooperation post-arrest. Sorry, it just makes no sense at all to me.

Oswald realizes at some point following the assassination, that he might be falsely accused of shooting the gun that he brought to the Depository, so he tries to flee the scene...

But this didn't occur to him when he volunteered to bring in the gun??? You're positing an Oswald with an IQ of about 17.

Oswald denies all allegations believing an attorney will come to his aid, and that his one phone call - which was diverted from his "handler" and never went through, according to the testimony of switchboard operators - would give him assistance...

Switchboard operators at the Dallas police station claimed that, on the night of November 23, 1963, Oswald tried to make a long-distance call to Raleigh, North Carolina.

Nope, nope. nope. The Raleigh Call Factoid has been demolished, by me and others. Even Greg Parker said I'd done a nice job on that. John Hurt was an alcoholic, mental case. The call was an incoming call from him. The two women in the switchboard room were bitterly at odds about what had occurred, and the one who made the wild claims was clearly fabricating. It's a classic - classic, I tell you - Conspiracy Factoid. I researched it after huckster Jim DiEugenio posted "Oh, man, what about that Raleigh call?" as though we were talking about one of the keys to the JFKA.

Oswald wanting to contact attorney Abt does make sense even here in Lone Nutter Land. Abt was the attorney for the Communist Party, had been involved in at least one high-profile case, and my belief is that Oswald, once he surprisingly found himself alive after the JFKA, realized he could cement his place in history by turning a lengthy trial into Marxist Theater in which is brilliance would be revealed.

[Jake Maxwell]

By what sort of logic does this make sense? Oswald is told to wait in a lunchroom or wherever until summoned for his unspecified role in a Presidential assassination, and he volunteers "Hey, I've got an old Carcano I'll go home and get if you're short on weapons." And the conspirators think an old Carcano sounds like a good idea? What? Hello? And then you have to explain all the post-assassination events from Tippit to the Texas Theater to his complete lack of cooperation post-arrest. Sorry, it just makes no sense at all to me.

But this didn't occur to him when he volunteered to bring in the gun??? You're positing an Oswald with an IQ of about 17.

Nope, nope. nope. The Raleigh Call Factoid has been demolished, by me and others. Even Greg Parker said I'd done a nice job on that. John Hurt was an alcoholic, mental case. The call was an incoming call from him. The two women in the switchboard room were bitterly at odds about what had occurred, and the one who made the wild claims was clearly fabricating. It's a classic - classic, I tell you - Conspiracy Factoid. I researched it after huckster Jim DiEugenio posted "Oh, man, what about that Raleigh call?" as though we were talking about one of the keys to the JFKA.

Oswald wanting to contact attorney Abt does make sense even here in Lone Nutter Land. Abt was the attorney for the Communist Party, had been involved in at least one high-profile case, and my belief is that Oswald, once he surprisingly found himself alive after the JFKA, realized he could cement his place in history by turning a lengthy trial into Marxist Theater in which is brilliance would be revealed.

Ahhh... yes.... You make my point... You did your research, you've been examining documents... How long have you been doing this to arrive at your conclusions... only TWO DAYS??

And BTW - The scenario painted about Oswald in the post that goes contrary to what every LN adherent believes, was only to suggest an alternative to the LN narrative, what any trained skillful attorney can do so very well.

48 hours to come to a conclusion and foist Oswald's guilt on the public, is a RUSH TO JUDGMENT... as the 1976 Senate Select Committee determined so conclusively. Hoover should be condemned, along with his cronies, for playing Judge, Jury and Hangman!

Case closed!

[Richard Smith]

Oswald is led to believe he is being brought in on a plot to kill the president, and Oswald volunteers to bring his rifle to the Depository...

There you go, that answers about half of your allegations...

Oswald realizes at some point following the assassination, that he might be falsely accused of shooting the gun that he brought to the Depository, so he tries to flee the scene...

Oswald denies all allegations believing an attorney will come to his aid, and that his one phone call - which was diverted from his "handler" and never went through, according to the testimony of switchboard operators - would give him assistance...

Switchboard operators at the Dallas police station claimed that, on the night of November 23, 1963, Oswald tried to make a long-distance call to Raleigh, North Carolina.
According to Ruth Paine’s testimony, Oswald never made a completed call.
Two switchboard operators later stated that they were told not to put the call through and to never speak of it.


No question about it... and most all reasonable skilled attorneys would agree... Hoover and all who tried to "close the case" within 48 hours and pronounce Oswald guilty, acting alone... rushed to judgment, causing great and reasonable suspicion that the accusing parties just might be accomplices in a frame-up...

In this fantasy, Oswald is acting in Gomer Pyle-like bliss prior to the assassination.  Actively working to frame himself for the assassination by agreeing to bring his rifle to the TSBD.  He apparently can't put two and two together to understand that if his rifle is found at the crime scene that he will be blamed for the crime.  But then at the moment that shots are fired a light bulb suddenly goes off in his head.  He says "Shazam, I'm in big trouble here."  He becomes a genius.  What to do?  Of course, go home and get a gun, do a little window shopping then head to the movies after shooting a cop.  When he is arrested, he doesn't name names but protests his innocence believing he is going to get away with the assassination of the president after the authorities have found his rifle at the scene.  Why does he need an attorney to tell them who is responsible for the crime?  Just because the evidence demonstrated very quickly that Oswald was guilty that didn't preclude the DPD and others from being open to any evidence of the involvement of others.   The problem with that is that there was no such evidence at the time.  That remains the case 60+ years later.