On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence

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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2025, 02:17:23 AM »
Oswald drove to Irving with Frazier only a couple of times;

Oswald was hired by the TSBD on 10/16/63

He drove to Irving with Frazier on;

Friday 10/18/63
Monday 10/20/63 after the birth of his daughter
Friday 10/25/63
Friday 11/01/63
Friday 11/08/63

He didn't go with Frazier on Friday 11/15/63 because Marina was angry with him

And then he went with Frazier to Irving on Thursday 11/21/63

Conclusion; Oswald went to Irving with Frazier on Friday for "each and every weekend" for four weeks in a row.....   :D

Online Tom Graves

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Re: On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2025, 02:25:02 AM »
Wow, I must have been guilty of many times when I count the number of times I did not talk to a taxi driver.   

Did you always remain silent whenever the taxi driver said something to you about something unusual and very noticeable that was going on around you (plural), like "police cars with sirens going, crisscrossing everywhere, an uproar," or were you always too drunk and therefore don't remember?

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Online Tom Graves

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Re: On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2025, 02:51:32 AM »
You are Exhibit A for why I have repeatedly sworn off forums such as this. Declare victory if you like, but you're simply a nutcase and not worth any more of my time.

It seems as though tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorists are genetically predisposed to be paranoiac, vulnerable to KGB* disinformation, and full of hate towards the evil, evil, evil, evil government.

*Today's SVR and FSB

Online David Von Pein

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Re: On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2025, 02:54:53 AM »
There was nothing curious about the Thursday trip.

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Nothing curious about the curtain rod excuse.

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Wow, I must have been guilty many times when I count the number of times I did not talk to a taxi driver.

LANCE PAYETTE PREVIOUSLY SAID: "Leaving the TSBD, getting the gun, shooting Tippit, fleeing to the theater, resisting arrest, yada yada, all make the non-responsiveness to Whaley pale in comparison."

Which assumes all sorts of things for which there is only circumstantial evidence or no evidence at all.

With enough assumptions you can find anybody guilty of anything.

~~ big sigh ~~

If only JFK conspiracists could learn to put ALL of Lee Harvey Oswald's 11/21/63 & 11/22/63 actions and movements TOGETHER .... and then have those conspiracy theorists properly and fairly evaluate those actions in light of THE TWO MURDER CHARGES that confronted Oswald on the night of November 22nd.

If only.

~~ another frustrated sigh ~~

Link.....


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Online John Mytton

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Re: On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2025, 03:10:46 AM »
Oswald drove to Irving with Frazier only a couple of times;

Oswald was hired by the TSBD on 10/16/63

He drove to Irving with Frazier on;

Friday 10/18/63
Monday 10/20/63 after the birth of his daughter
Friday 10/25/63
Friday 11/01/63
Friday 11/08/63

He didn't go with Frazier on Friday 11/15/63 because Marina was angry with him

And then he went with Frazier to Irving on Thursday 11/21/63

Conclusion; Oswald went to Irving with Frazier on Friday for "each and every weekend" for four weeks in a row.....   :D

Yes, exactly Martin, Oswald had a set routine where as I explained coming on the weekends was far more beneficial because of the extra two full days that he could interact with his daughters instead of the few hours on Thursday.

But this is important so listen closely, Oswald coming unannounced mid week is also a huge problem for CT's because Ruth was doing Oswald's family a massive favour by allowing his family to stay with her, so Oswald reluctant to rock the boat ALWAYS asked permission first, except for this one day where he wanted to get his rifle, now obviously he came unannounced for the first time because if she refused, Oswald realized that he was up crap creek without a paddle, or in this case, up on the 6th floor with no rifle!

Mr. JENNER - Let's proceed with the 21st. Did anything occur on the 21st with respect to Lee Harvey Oswald, that is a Thursday?
Mrs. PAINE - I arrived home from grocery shopping around 5:30, and he was on the front lawn. I was surprised to see him.
Mr. JENNER - You had no advance notice?
Mrs. PAINE - I had no advance notice and he had never before come without asking whether he could.
Mr. JENNER - Never before had he come to your home in that form without asking your permission to come?
Mrs. PAINE - Without asking permission; that is right.


Btw thanks for responding to my post and quoting my words!, because just yesterday you seemed pretty sure that you wouldn't?? Hahahaha, I told you, you couldn't resist, you're so weak!

JohnM


Offline Jim Hawthorn

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Re: On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2025, 08:27:02 AM »
One musn't forget that interpretations of Oswald's actions/behaviour could suggest involvement (either wittingly or unwittingly) but not necessarily a lone mission.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald and Bugliosi's 53 pieces of evidence
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2025, 06:51:36 PM »
You can child play being a Defence Lawyer all you like but Lance along with Bugliosi were real life lawyers and Lance told you what actual real evidence is, whereas your biased concept of what constitutes evidence is sadly misguided and frankly laughable.
BTW if it was me I would probably have removed one or two pieces Bugliosi's pieces of evidence, but the rest stays!

What's laughable is that anybody could call these things evidence of murder with a straight face:

- Leaving his wedding ring behind at the Paine house
- Not reading the newspaper in the domino room that morning.
- Going to the second floor to get a Coke when he supposedly preferred Dr. Pepper.
- Not being chatty with the cab driver.
- Showing reporters his handcuffed hands.
- Marina thinking his eyes looked guilty.
- Leaving his blue jacket in the domino room.
- Allegedly leaving a clipboard on the sixth floor.

This is the kind of thing that charlatan lawyers like Bugliosi appeal to when they don't have real evidence.