If I Had Planned The Conspiracy ...

[Lance Payette]

His ownership of the rifle doesn't prove he took the shots

Did I miss something? When did you prove that Oswald owned the rifle found at the TSBD and/or that it was ever stored in Ruth Paine's garage?

You did indeed miss something. The assumption in Dan's question was that Oswald in fact owned the rifle. Lack of reading comprehension is a terrible handicap on internet forums. So is answering posts faster than you can think. Perhaps cut back on the caffeine and think before clicking that Post button?

[Martin Weidmann]

The HSCA expert proved Oswald was holding the rifle he purchased, C2766.



The FBI proved that Oswald's palm print was on Oswald's rifle.



JohnM

Wow, a copy of an internal Klein's order form, not declared authentic by the person who wrote C2766 on it, is supposed to show that a rifle was sent to Oswald?

How does a photograph of somebody holding a rifle prove that he is the owner of that rifle? I would be interested to find out, because I was once photographed with a Ferrari and I would love to claim ownership of that car.

And we have already discussed the Rorschachtest you call "evidence".

[Dan O'meara]

You make a rather seismic semantic shift here. First, his ownership of the M-C doesn't "prove" he took the shots. No, it certainly doesn't. Next, its has "nothing to do" with whether he took the shots. WHAT???

If the M-C had been owned by Linnie Mae Randle, it would be far less likely that Oswald took the shots. His ownership of the rifle doesn't prove he took the shots but makes it FAR more likely that he did. Even your imaginary conspirators who planted the rifle recognized this, or they would have planted a more plausible assassination weapon. They planted Oswald's rifle because it would make the conclusion that their desired patsy took the shots far more probable.

I understand what you're saying and maybe I could have found a different phrasing of words that made my point in a way that wasn't open to various interpretations.

Oswald either took the shots or he didn't, it's binary, on or off, yes or no.
His ownership of the rifle doesn't make it "FAR more likely" that he took the shots, he either took the shots or he didn't.
It makes it far more likely TO BE ASSUMED THAT HE TOOK THE SHOTS.
That is how framing someone works.
If the ownership of the rifle was traced to Linnie Mae Randle it would have been FAR more difficult to frame Oswald with it.
By leaving Oswald's rifle there everyone would make the obvious assumption that it was Oswald who took the shots and that is exactly what happened.

The important thing is you've recognised that Oswald taking the shots is not the fact that many Nutters seem to think it is. It's just a theory. That is the point I was making

On a different note, I was quite disappointed that you bailed on the topic of this thread.
You laid out a challenge with specific criteria. I presented a plausible scenario that fitted the criteria. You made a couple of weak comments then disappeared.
I thought it was a good topic for a thread and could have been a useful discussion.

[Martin Weidmann]

You did indeed miss something. The assumption in Dan's question was that Oswald in fact owned the rifle. Lack of reading comprehension is a terrible handicap on internet forums. So is answering posts faster than you can think. Perhaps cut back on the caffeine and think before clicking that Post button?

I agree that a lack of reading comprehension is a problem.

The assumption in Dan's question was that Oswald in fact owned the rifle.

No it wasn't. The point of Dan's question was that even if Oswald was the owner of the MC, it still wouldn't prove he actually took the shots.

Nice try, though

[John Mytton]

Logic says that the last thing an assassin fleeing the scene wants to look like is an assassin fleeing the scene.

So, basically, what you are saying is that Oswald went into the 2nd lunchroom to not look like an assassin fleeing the scene, and then left the building to take a bus, in all the commotion, and look exactly like the assassin you claim his is.

Hilarious!

Huh?
To get out of the building Oswald tried to be as inconspicuous as possible.
To get out of the area, Oswald took a regular bus because he wasn't going to run to his Rooming House for his gun.
When the bus stalled, Oswald panicked and got off.
Oswald then got a cab and even tried to act like he wasn't in a hurry, by offering his cab to a lady but he took a calculated risk because he was already inside. Though, Whaley's first day account does differ.



JohnM

[Lance Payette]

Logic says that the last thing an assassin fleeing the scene wants to look like is an assassin fleeing the scene.

So, basically, what you are saying is that Oswald went into the 2nd lunchroom to not look like an assassin fleeing the scene, and then left the building to take a bus, in all the commotion, and look exactly like the assassin you claim his is.

Hilarious!

You really do need to slow down and give your brain time to shift out of neutral before posting. His critical concern was to get out of the TSBD alive. Because he had in fact fired the shots and knew his rifle was on the 6th floor, he could scarcely hang around the TSBD. Once he was out, he had no reason to care what he "looked like" in the frenzied crowd - only to get as far away as possible as fast as possible. I'm glad you agree his actions make him look exactly like the assassin history says he was.

[John Mytton]

I'm glad you agree his actions make him look exactly like the assassin history says he was.

 

JohnM