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On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 11 with Bill Brown
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on February 10, 2025, 12:32:49 AM ---What makes you think it was?
Where did I say that?
So, no answer to my question? Got it.... Thumb1:
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You don't think any of it was "made up"?
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: Tom Mahon on February 10, 2025, 12:34:16 AM ---You don't think any of it was "made up"?
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This probably goes way over your head, but the best lie is the one that stays as close as possible to the truth.
So, no I don't think that "any of it" (whatever that means) was made up.
Physical evidence does not need to be made up when it can be manipulated in a highly circumstantial case like this one.
Let's see if you understand what I am trying to tell you. Marina said that Oswald wanted to get back together with her and she turned him down.
He then apparently gave her most of his money and left his wedding ring in a cup before leaving for the TSBD on Friday morning.
The benign explanation is that he understood his marriage was over but in a circumstantial case against him it suddenly becomes "evidence" that he killed Kennedy.
Can you explain to me why the circumstantial story has more merit than the benign explanation?
David Von Pein:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on February 10, 2025, 12:45:39 AM ---Marina said that Oswald wanted to get back together with her and she turned him down. He then apparently gave her most of his money and left his wedding ring in a cup before leaving for the TSBD on Friday morning. The benign explanation is that he understood his marriage was over but in a circumstantial case against him it suddenly becomes "evidence" that he killed Kennedy. Can you explain to me why the circumstantial story has more merit than the benign explanation?
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Probably because multiple pieces of evidence turned up the next day to indicate that LHO had committed two murders.
Could that be it?
(Duh.)
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: David Von Pein on February 10, 2025, 02:22:53 AM ---Probably because multiple pieces of evidence turned up the next day to indicate that LHO had committed two murders.
Could that be it?
(Duh.)
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No, not really....
It's supposition at best... for the circumstantial story to be true you have to ignore the testimony of Marina Oswald and Ruth Paine who both said they believed that Oswald had travelled to Irving to save his marriage.
And even then, the circumstantial story does not work, because another part of that same story claims that Oswald made a paper bag at the TSBD and took it to Irving on Thursday evening, which means his mind to collect the rifle that was alleged to be there was already made up. So, if you claim that he had already planned to kill Kennedy the next day, why would he try so hard to get Marina to come back to him. It doesn't make sense.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on February 10, 2025, 12:45:39 AM ---This probably goes way over your head, but the best lie is the one that stays as close as possible to the truth.
So, no I don't think that "any of it" (whatever that means) was made up.
Physical evidence does not need to be made up when it can be manipulated in a highly circumstantial case like this one.
Let's see if you understand what I am trying to tell you. Marina said that Oswald wanted to get back together with her and she turned him down.
He then apparently gave her most of his money and left his wedding ring in a cup before leaving for the TSBD on Friday morning.
The benign explanation is that he understood his marriage was over but in a circumstantial case against him it suddenly becomes "evidence" that he killed Kennedy.
Can you explain to me why the circumstantial story has more merit than the benign explanation?
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Marina?
Marina Oswald, née Prusakova?
The Soviet woman (and former KGB "swallow" in Saint Petersburg) whom true KGB defector Pyotr Deriabin (1954) said a couple of days after the assassination had to be, at the very least, a low-level KGB informant to be permitted to marry her Handsome Prince Charming and leave The Worker's Paradise with him?
That Marina?
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