Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.

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Online Andrew Mason

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #364 on: February 08, 2025, 06:46:55 PM »

We are just supposed to accept his animation as accurate without being able to check it.  If  I have missed it somewhere, please point it out to me.


Andrew, Dale Myers gives us detailed descriptions of how he created his animation. It seems to me that the best way to check his work would be to follow in his footsteps and create your own computer model and animation.
I have. And when I put the two men in their seats this is what I get:

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #365 on: February 08, 2025, 06:59:07 PM »
Yet you would have criticized him if he'd had the gosh-darned gall to say "between 1:14 and 1:15."

I certainly would, because there is no evidence for that either.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #366 on: February 08, 2025, 07:00:17 PM »
Myers does explain in detail how he arrived at the figures

Yes, by making a bunch of unmerited assumptions.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #367 on: February 08, 2025, 07:04:27 PM »
Itek concluded that Connally was between 4.5 and 7.5 inches inboard of JFK. (6” ± 1.5”).

Itek said 6.4 +/- 2.2 inches.  But that was also based on stereo viewing Z frames 183 and 188.  Nobody posits a shot at that time.

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  Myers doesn’t provide a figure and essentially dismisses error. He says that he lined them up based on the zfilm and the implication is that the error was negligible

Myers put them in a position deliberately designed to make the single-bullet fantasy line-up.  (sort of).

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #368 on: February 08, 2025, 07:37:57 PM »

Because that was the only place I could find where he commented on the relative horizontal positions of the two men.

So, if I understand you correctly, you believe that Dale Myers is commenting on the relative horizontal positions of the two men in the following passage.

The large, and often overlapping, still and motion picture record of the motorcade between Main and Houston Streets and the point at which Zapruder began filming, provided an accurate and definitive record of the positions of JFK and JBC during this pre-shooting portion of the recreation.


However, you do not believe that Dale Myers is commenting on the relative horizontal positions of the two men in the following passage in the Key Framing section.

The film is returned to the first frame showing the president and the same process used to match the limousine to the film is used to position President Kennedy (JFK) and Governor John B. Connally (JBC).

https://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/kframe.htm#errors

Am I understanding your opinion correctly?
I was just responding to your comment. I don’t see how he determines their horizontal distance from reading either paragraph.

Myers appears to be matching the appearance of his models to two dimensional images and concluding that the 3D positions are accurately established when the models match the 2D photographic images. There is inherent error in doing that because one cannot measure the missing dimension in a 2D photo.  He admits of none.  That’s a problem.

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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #369 on: February 08, 2025, 08:13:15 PM »
Itek said 6.4 +/- 2.2 inches.  But that was also based on stereo viewing Z frames 183 and 188.  Nobody posits a shot at that time.
I was going by memory.  But at in the footnote 6HSCA49 they quote Itek as saying that JBC was 10.2 to 20.3 cm inboard of JFK. The would be 4 to 8 inches or 6” ± 2”.

I don’t think it matters too much which frames prior to z195 one uses because neither appear to change the position of their midline prior to that point.  I see a noticeable difference in the position of JFK between z193 and z225.


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Re: Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.
« Reply #370 on: February 08, 2025, 08:37:18 PM »
All I have done is point out the evidence.
Again, I can only refer you to the evidence. Here is the distribution of witness recollections as to the number of shots:


The possibility that the sample mean (3 shots) differs from the actual number is practically zero. This is further corroborated by the physical evidence of shells found (three).

To determine where the shots originated one has to look at all the evidence. When one does that, there is convergence on all shots coming from the same location.

The location is identified by direct observation by witnesses who saw the rifle in the window, by the three witnesses on the fifth floor who heard the shots coming from directly above them, and by the physical evidence found on the sixth floor.

If there were three shots from the Sniper's Nest and the first shot was between Z-186 and Z-202 (as you said in an earlier post), when were the second and third shots?
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