Oswald took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots.

[Zeon Mason]

Of all the theory’s offered out there, Andrew Masons is about the only one I’ve read that actually seems to for a TSBD shooter using  a bolt action rifle.

This theory compares favorably with witness like Harold Norman, and the 1st shot at approx Z190? consistent with Willis girl stopping by Z195, and the 2nd shot about Z270 ish then followed by Z313, not only gives a more probable spacing  of 6-7 secs required for aimed shots with an MC rifle, but the spacing compares favorably with the 1….2..3 pattern  that 2/3 ear witness described.

Additionally the shot sequence beginning at Z190 ish fits in between with Betzner Z186 and Willis Z205 photos which is where they both first heard a shot fired approximately

Therefore , if Andrew’s theory is correct,  then any suggestion that the TSBD shooter stood up is improbable as well as unnecessary because at Z195 ,  the TSBD shooter sitting in a box would be able simply to lean over as (Charles has demonstrated ), and would be able to aim at the JFK limo without need to stand up.

There is an obstacle at Z195 which is the tree foliage, however the shooter if using the scope might have been able to see thru it.

This however , then does bring into question if the scope was out of alignment thus may  be why  the 1st shot at Z195 hit JFK in the back rather than head.

The only major anomaly in Andrew’s  theory (imo) is still what many of us on this forum seem to be observing in the Z224-Z230 range which is the apparent simultaneous reactions of JFK and JC to being HIT by a bullet.
 
If that’s the case then the 2nd shot in Andrew’s theory being at Z270 ish? must be the missed shot and was this also the shooter still using his scope or had he switched to using iron sights at this point.

[Andrew Mason]

Was MacNeil seated inside a bus when the shots were fired? The location and surroundings of an "ear" witness are important when considering their testimony regarding the shots being fired.

Yes. MacNeil was on the first press bus that was behind the 3 camera cars, 3 congressman cars and the VIP car.  Here is a photo by Thomas Dillard of that bus from the 3rd camera car during the motorcade on Main St.



He said that they had just turned the corner into Dealey Plaza when they heard the first shot.   After the shots he asked the bus driver to stop and he got out and eventually got a ride on the white and red convertible behind camera car 3.  The bus may have just entered Dealey Plaza by the end of the shots and probably stopped on Houston but I don't see how it was possible for the bus to have been there at the time of the first shot.

[Royell Storing]

Yes. MacNeil was on the first press bus that was behind the 3 camera cars, 3 congressman cars and the VIP car.  Here is a photo by Thomas Dillard of that bus from the 3rd camera car during the motorcade on Main St.



He said that they had just turned the corner into Dealey Plaza when they heard the first shot.   After the shots he asked the bus driver to stop and he got out and eventually got a ride on the white and red convertible behind camera car 3.  The bus may have just entered Dealey Plaza by the end of the shots and probably stopped on Houston but I don't see how it was possible for the bus to have been there at the time of the first shot.

   Have you viewed the NBC Darnell Film posted by The Sixth Floor over on You Tube? The Sixth Floor got the permission from NBC to post the opening 0:44 of the Darnell Film. It's supposed to be the Original Darnell Film that NBC has been hording since 11/22/63. That :44 seconds opens with the driver of Camera Car #2 standing outside of the car, Camera Car #1 is in front of it, and the hood of Camera Car #3 can be seen in the rear. All 3 cars are at a DEAD STOP at the corner of Elm/Houston. And now you tell me about Press Bus #1 also being at a DEAD STOP. And for MacNeil to jump into Congressional Car #1, I would assume that car was also at a DEAD STOP. Why are these cars All atta DEAD STOP? All of this makes me believe they are Stopped because the JFK Limo also had STOPPED. When driving, when the guy in front of you stops, you stop too. Same seems to have happened here with the stopping of the JFK Limo creating a ripple effect back through the motorcade. If you want to view this pristine Darnell Film, go to You Tube and search out,    "NBC 5 Archive Collection | Assassination Aftermath In Dealey Plaza | Darnell Film"    By - SixthFloorMuseum   

[Brian Roselle]

Yes. MacNeil was on the first press bus that was behind the 3 camera cars, 3 congressman cars and the VIP car.  Here is a photo by Thomas Dillard of that bus from the 3rd camera car during the motorcade on Main St.



He said that they had just turned the corner into Dealey Plaza when they heard the first shot.   After the shots he asked the bus driver to stop and he got out and eventually got a ride on the white and red convertible behind camera car 3.  The bus may have just entered Dealey Plaza by the end of the shots and probably stopped on Houston but I don't see how it was possible for the bus to have been there at the time of the first shot.

Andrew, you've probably seen this but the work Michael Russ did on his motorcade research would support your point about an error in MacNeil’s testimony.

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/animation.htm

It appears Russ had the Bus (#15 Bus 1 - Continental Trailways White House Press bus) not in the Plaza yet after the third shot rang out. This is when his animation replays.

If MacNeil’s testimony was that the Bus was in the Plaza during the first shot, there is a major mismatch. I tend to think Russ was reasonably close in his work, so I think your conclusion here is good.

[Royell Storing]

Andrew, you've probably seen this but the work Michael Russ did on his motorcade research would support your point about an error in MacNeil’s testimony.

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/animation.htm

It appears Russ had the Bus (#15 Bus 1 - Continental Trailways White House Press bus) not in the Plaza yet after the third shot rang out. This is when his animation replays.

If MacNeil’s testimony was that the Bus was in the Plaza during the first shot, there is a major mismatch. I tend to think Russ was reasonably close in his work, so I think your conclusion here is good.

    Take a look at the "You Tube" NBC Darnell Film I previously referenced. At the 0:08 point you can clearly see 2 buses back on Houston St. The bus(es) being on Houston St. when Shot #1 rang out is Wrong. Also on this NBC Darnell Film, at the 0:03 point you can see both DPD Officer Smith and DPD Motorcycle Officer Baker. Smith running down the Elm St Ext and Baker running toward the TSBD. Darnell allegedly was Not filming while shot(s) were being fired. Ergo, the Darnell footage we are seeing which shows these 2 buses on Houston St is at least 10 seconds after the Final Shot/3rd shot? Officer Baker's timeline probably is the best way to judge how long after the Kill Shot that we are seeing those 2 buses on Houston St in the NBC Darnell Film. 

[Brian Roselle]

    Take a look at the "You Tube" NBC Darnell Film I previously referenced. At the 0:08 point you can clearly see 2 buses back on Houston St. The bus(es) being on Houston St. when Shot #1 rang out is Wrong. Also on this NBC Darnell Film, at the 0:03 point you can see both DPD Officer Smith and DPD Motorcycle Officer Baker. Smith running down the Elm St Ext and Baker running toward the TSBD. Darnell allegedly was Not filming while shot(s) were being fired. Ergo, the Darnell footage we are seeing which shows these 2 buses on Houston St is at least 10 seconds after the Final Shot/3rd shot? Officer Baker's timeline probably is the best way to judge how long after the Kill Shot that we are seeing those 2 buses on Houston St in the NBC Darnell Film.

Royell, thanks for the references on that film. I may have missed seeing the buses briefly at the 8 sec mark without the heads up!

I agree with you that this is after the third shot. It looks like Russ seemed to estimate that Baker got off at about 14 seconds after z313, close to the start of this film clip, so the bus view here could have been as much as 22 seconds after z313.  I’m sure there could be a couple of seconds leeway in the estimates, but in either case it is after the shooting ended as you said. Thanks again for the references.

[Andrew Mason]

The only major anomaly in Andrew’s  theory (imo) is still what many of us on this forum seem to be observing in the Z224-Z230 range which is the apparent simultaneous reactions of JFK and JC to being HIT by a bullet.

If that’s the case then the 2nd shot in Andrew’s theory being at Z270 ish? must be the missed shot and was this also the shooter still using his scope or had he switched to using iron sights at this point.

That is essentially going back to the original SBT which had the reaction of JFK after emerging from behind the Stemmons sign at z225 being in response to a first shot at z210 and JBC reacting to being hit in the back by it there.  That "first shot SBT" is a better fit with the evidence than the second shot SBT which is currently favoured (with an early first shot miss). 

I suggest that there was no missed shot and that JBC was not hit in the back by the first shot that passed through JFK's neck.  I suggest, the evidence favours a second shot striking JBC in the back and wrist at z268-272. This fits with Hickey, Greer, Powers, the Connallys.  What it does not fit is with where the Connallys thought that JBC looked like he was hit in the back (around z230) or where a lot of others (LN and CTs alike) think JBC is reacting to being shot in the back (around z223).  In my view, the evidence indicates that JBC is reacting to the first shot after z227 or so but not to being hit in the back by it.  He is reacting as he said to hearing the shot, realizing it was a rifle shot and fearing for JFK who he thought was being assassinated. JBC was then hit with the second shot.  You are correct that there are many witnesses who said the last two shots were quite close together.  I suggest that it occured just before z272:

Here is what the sequence from z268 to z272 looks like:


Here is what z261 to z306 looks like:


George Hickey said he was watching JFK during the last two shots which were close together. He said that he saw only that JFK's hair on the right side of his head fly up.  Here are frames showing JFK's hair from z273 to z278: