Tippit Debate

[Bill Brown]

Mr.I , that seems to be the conclusion I was going to eventually arrive at, except for the possibility of the timing of Markam being too late to have seen Oswald cross over Patton st going east on 10th.

But if that’s the.case then Oswald had to get to 10th st /Patton st intersection much earlier than 1:07 and it’s already rather a problem getting him there by 1:07 ( requiring a lot of intermittent double timing) a method  which LN Tom
has  questioned as to  be unlikely for someone to do who does not wish to draw attention to himself.

So I guess that’s why the LN Bill solution is to avoid the whole 1:06-1:07 timeline of Markam and Bowley as unreliable because their watches are 7 minutes slow (cause they are wind up watches ? ) and instead just go with the DPD clock which apparently is the only correct clock?

This of course requires also suggesting the emergency room clock was 10 minutes slow and thus the doctors DOA time of 1:15 should have really been 1:25.

But the witnesses Mr.I? There’s too many of them picking Oswald as the man they saw so unless it’s an imposter , then somehow Oswald got to 10th st east of Patton st some distance east of the intersection and was walking west to the intersection when he was seen by Markam and followed by Tippit.

Ruling out “about facing” or double timing , and the imposter theory , then either its accept DOD clock time and reject all the other clocks, or else Oswald had to have been given a ride by somebody or was using a bicycle or skateboard between bus, cab, boarding room and then 10th st east of Patton.

So I guess that’s why the LN Bill solution is to avoid the whole 1:06-1:07 timeline of Markam and Bowley as unreliable because their watches are 7 minutes slow (cause they are wind up watches ? ) and instead just go with the DPD clock which apparently is the only correct clock?

I don't ignore anything.
The police tapes tell you that the Tippit shooting occurred around 1:15/1:16.
Fact.

[John Iacoletti]

But the witnesses Mr.I? There’s too many of them picking Oswald as the man they saw so unless it’s an imposter , then somehow Oswald got to 10th st east of Patton st some distance east of the intersection and was walking west to the intersection when he was seen by Markam and followed by Tippit.

The lineups were egregiously unfair and biased, and thus unreliable as evidence.  Many of the "identifications" weren't even lineups.

[John Iacoletti]

I don't ignore anything.
The police tapes tell you that the Tippit shooting occurred around 1:15/1:16.
Fact.

Calling an unsubstantiated claim a "fact" does not make it one.

The police tapes tell you exactly nothing about what time the shooting occurred. 

[Martin Weidmann]

The lineups were egregiously unfair and biased, and thus unreliable as evidence.  Many of the "identifications" weren't even lineups.

And let's get real. The chances that every witness at a fair line up selects the same person are minimal.

Take the Davis girls, for example. They heard shots and ran to their front door. Given the distance the shooter had to run from Tippit's car to their front door is minimal, it's amazing just how quickly those girls must have reached the front door, but that aside. They said that when they arrived they saw a man running through their front garden and past the front door. Now how long - be honest - did it take the shooter to pass their front door? Three seconds, four or five?

So, we are asked to believe that two girls who only saw a guy running past their front door for a few seconds, managed to both identify that man hours later during a line up? Really?

Their powers of observation must be phenomenally out of this world!

[John Iacoletti]

Let's see.....do I pick one of the nicely dressed police detectives, or the guy in the messed-up T-shirt and a cut-up forehead screaming about how unfair the lineup is?

The police are demanding to know "which one?"

Tough call.

[John Mytton]

Let's see.....do I pick one of the nicely dressed police detectives, or the guy in the messed-up T-shirt and a cut-up forehead screaming about how unfair the lineup is?

The police are demanding to know "which one?"

Tough call.

All I can say is if I was viewing a line-up and no one matched the person who I saw, I wouldn't send an innocent man to his death, but perhaps you feel that a handful of average American's are different?

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

All I can say is if I was viewing a line-up and no one matched the person who I saw, I wouldn't send an innocent man to his death, but perhaps you feel that a handful of average American's are different?

JohnM

perhaps you feel that a handful of average American's are different

They are! The innocence project frequently gets convictions overturned of people who were wrongly identified by one or more witnesses, who, without malice, actually - incorrectly - believed the arrested man was the one they had seen.

It happens more often than you think.