Oak Cliff Time Trials

[Bill Brown]

I doesn't matter what you can do.  Roberts said 3 or 4 minutes.

Why would you prefer something Burt said 5 years later to what he said in 1963?  Do you apply that standard to any other witness?

No, "we" don't know that.

It's not worth much.  The ticket either exists or it does not.

When Brewer asked her if she sold a ticket to "that man", she asked "what man?"  Why would she ask that if she had just seen somebody with a panicked look on his face duck in? And why wouldn't she have stopped him and made him buy a ticket?  She also testified that she had stepped out of the box office and went to the front and was facing west at the time.  Did she have eyes in the back of her head?

I doesn't matter what you can do.  Roberts said 3 or 4 minutes.

"Just long enough, I guess, to go in there and get a jacket and put it on." -- Earlene Roberts

Why would you prefer something Burt said 5 years later to what he said in 1963?  Do you apply that standard to any other witness?

Burt's early statement to the FBI is an obvious lie.  Even you should be able to realize that when reading it.
But if we're taking all FBI reports at their word, then Oswald carried a package that morning that was three feet in length by six inches wide.  Right?

No, "we" don't know that.

Sure we do.  Sam Guinyard, Ted Callaway, Harold Russell, Warren Reynolds, Pat Patterson and LJ Lewis all watched the man with the gun go to the corner of Patton and Jefferson and then turn right (west) onto Jefferson.

It's not worth much.  The ticket either exists or it does not.

Point being, the Nashes saw it, Butler confirms they saw it... and they said it was 1:18.

When Brewer asked her if she sold a ticket to "that man", she asked "what man?"  Why would she ask that if she had just seen somebody with a panicked look on his face duck in? And why wouldn't she have stopped him and made him buy a ticket?  She also testified that she had stepped out of the box office and went to the front and was facing west at the time.  Did she have eyes in the back of her head?

Nonsense.

Postal said the guy was just off the sidewalk with a panicked look on his face.

[John Iacoletti]

"Just long enough, I guess, to go in there and get a jacket and put it on." -- Earlene Roberts

"He went on to his room and stayed about 3 or 4 minutes." -- Earlene Roberts

Burt's early statement to the FBI is an obvious lie.

Why would Burt lie about that?

Sure we do.  Sam Guinyard, Ted Callaway, Harold Russell, Warren Reynolds, Pat Patterson and LJ Lewis all watched the man with the gun go to the corner of Patton and Jefferson and then turn right (west) onto Jefferson.

What makes you think Burt saw the same guy?

Point being, the Nashes saw it, Butler confirms they saw it... and they said it was 1:18.

Unsubstantiated double hearsay.  The slip either exists or it does not.

Nonsense.

Postal said the guy was just off the sidewalk with a panicked look on his face.

Nonsense.  Postal was facing the other way at the time and she said "what man?"

[Bill Brown]

Nonsense.  Postal was facing the other way at the time and she said "what man?"

Postal saw Oswald whether you like it or not...

"Johnny asked me if I sold that man a ticket.  I asked him what man.  He said that man that just ducked in here.  I told him no, I didn't, but I had noticed him as he ducked in here." -- Julia Postal

Postal then called the police...

"The officer asked me if the man fit the description of the suspect.  I told him I didn't know because I hadn't heard the description of the suspect.  I told the officer that I would describe the man to him and that he could take it from there." -- Julia Postal

Mr. BALL. The last time you had seen him before he ducked in, he was just standing outside of the door, was he?
Mrs. POSTAL. No, sir; he was still just in----just off of the sidewalk, and he headed for the theatre.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Postal saw Oswald whether you like it or not...

"Johnny asked me if I sold that man a ticket.  I asked him what man.  He said that man that just ducked in here.  I told him no, I didn't, but I had noticed him as he ducked in here." -- Julia Postal

Postal then called the police...

"The officer asked me if the man fit the description of the suspect.  I told him I didn't know because I hadn't heard the description of the suspect.  I told the officer that I would describe the man to him and that he could take it from there." -- Julia Postal

Mr. BALL. The last time you had seen him before he ducked in, he was just standing outside of the door, was he?
Mrs. POSTAL. No, sir; he was still just in----just off of the sidewalk, and he headed for the theatre.

Your problem, Bill - well, actually his and the others doing this - is that you are trying to reconstruct what happened, to solve a murder. Sure, you have biases like we all do. Confirmation bias, motivated reasoning. All of that fancy sounding stuff. But you are looking at the totality of evidence and trying as best as you can, again given our human failings, to explain what happened.

He's trying to exonerate Oswald. He's not interested in trying to figure out what happened. He's trying to clear his guy. So, Oswald is totally innocent, all of his actions can be dismissed or ignored while everyone else's actions are given sinister explanations. Why Oswald? Heck if I know.

[Zeon Mason]

Here is the timeline I constructed based on Oswald able to have left the TSBD by 3 minutes post shots:

12:33 Oswald begins trek of 7 blocks to reach Mcwatters bus. (7 minutes required for average walking speed)
12:40 Oswald enters Mcwatters bus
12:42 Oswald departs  the bus and begins trek of 4 blocks to reach Whaley’s taxi. Oswald double times jogs this distance in 2 minutes
12.44 Oswald enters Whaley’s taxi.
12:44 Whaley drives the distance to a point 5 blocks from boarding house in 7 minutes minutes (2 min  faster than WC time trial).
12:51  Oswald exits taxi, and double times jogs the 5 blocks in about 2.5 minutes
12:53 Oswald enters boarding house. Takes 2 minutes to change shirt and put on jacket and get the revolver and some extra bullets.
12:55 Oswald leaves boarding house and then lingers about 1 minute outside by the street in view of Earlene Roberts.
12:56. Oswald  begins a “brisk walk” to some location ( perhaps heading to Marsalis  Zoo) that lands Oswald at 10th and Patton 11 minutes later where he is seen by Mariam
at 1:07
1:07-1:08 Tippit stops Oswald and after a 30 sec brief discussion, Tippit gets out of car and is shot by Oswald at 1:08. Oswald leaves the scene.

1:09 Benavides after having waited about 1 minute after Oswald left, and goes to Tippits car tries using radio.
1:10 Bowley arrives and makes 1st call to dispatcher on Tippits radio.
1:10  dispatcher radios hospital to send ambulance
1:12 ambulance arrives at 10th and Patton. 30 secs required to load Tippit
1:12:30 ambulance leaves 10th and Patton
1:14:30 ambulance arrives hospital emergency room. 30 secs required to move body from to room.
1:15 Emergency doctor prounounces Tippit DOA and records that time as 1:15.
 
Note: another 1 to 2 minutes can be subtracted from the overall timeline if Oswald doubletimes some part of the 7 block  distance from TSBD to McWatters bus.

[Bill Brown]

Your problem, Bill - well, actually his and the others doing this - is that you are trying to reconstruct what happened, to solve a murder. Sure, you have biases like we all do. Confirmation bias, motivated reasoning. All of that fancy sounding stuff. But you are looking at the totality of evidence and trying as best as you can, again given our human failings, to explain what happened.

He's trying to exonerate Oswald. He's not interested in trying to figure out what happened. He's trying to clear his guy. So, Oswald is totally innocent, all of his actions can be dismissed or ignored while everyone else's actions are given sinister explanations. Why Oswald? Heck if I know.

Yessir.  Iacoletti does everything he can (and suspends all common sense) to try to get Saint Lee of the Oswalds off the hook.

[John Iacoletti]

Postal saw Oswald whether you like it or not...

"Johnny asked me if I sold that man a ticket.  I asked him what man.  He said that man that just ducked in here.  I told him no, I didn't, but I had noticed him as he ducked in here." -- Julia Postal

BullOoops, I'm a naughty Boy.  If she had actually seen him "duck in", why didn't she stop him and make him buy a ticket?  Why did she tell both Brewer and the FBI that she wasn't sure whether she sold Oswald a ticket or not?