A Closer Look…

[Zeon Mason]

That 2003 Beyond Conspiracy documentary experiment shooting thru 2 replica body’s although not exactly proving the throat exit trajectory path,  none the less did seem to have proved the bullet hitting JFK would likely have continued on thru his body and hit JC in the back.

Can Andrew prove that a hit on just JFK at Z224 would NOT have continued thru JFKs body to hit JC?

As I understood it, the doctors who probed for the bullet that struck JFK at approx Z224 did NOT find a path thru JFKs body that definitively links the back wound with the throat exit wound.

But if that Z224 bullet did not exit from JFKs body then surely they would have found it lodged in his body somewhere?

An alternative  possibility (besides the WC SBT)  for not finding that bullet (CE399)in JFK is if that bullet fell out of JFKs body ( as opposed to allegedly having fallen out of JCs thigh) when JFK was placed on the stretcher.

So in Andrews 3 shot theory , the  1st Z190 ish shot that bypassed JFK and hits directly into JCs left thigh , would  theoretically have either buried DEEP in his thigh or more probably gone completely thru  JC’s leg and hence probably into the back side of the front seat ( or lower part of the cushion).

If however the speculative Z190 bullet got lodged in the seat but then fell out later, that might explain the late revelation of (SS agent Kinnley?) finding a bullet in the limo while the other  that other bullet that hit only JFK at Z224 was found on JFKs stretcher and the guy finding it describing it as more pointed bullet than CE 399.

But all this would be contingent on Andrew proving that either the Z190 ish bullet went completely thru JCs leg ( good luck 😳) or that the bullet somehow bounced  out of his leg or struck part of his leg bone causing the bullet to ricochet at an angle into the back seat ( good luck with that also 🙂

[Jack Nessan]

Jack, if you are going to respond to posts you should read them first. There were only 62 witnesses, by my count who recalled ANY shot pattern. Not everyone who recalled three shots recalled a pattern to those shots..

Oh but I did read it. Same made up unsupported nonsense. What you seem unable to understand, is that no discernable shot pattern is a pattern or could be interpreted to be evenly spaced. 85 non-descript shot pattern statements, all evenly spaced. The witnesses did not place any importance on it or the person taking the statement did not care about your half-baked theory. Especially one lacking support by your own opinion and witness analysis paper. A shot at Z195 even you do not believe it.

But what does it matter, the HSCA completely dismissed their whole witness analysis as to the number of shots as having been inflated due to medias influence, as did the WC. In the HSCA’s estimation there should have been 178 two shot witnesses.

WC Conclusion: "The eyewitness testimony may be subconsciously colored by the extensive publicity given the conclusion that three shots were fired"
 
HSCA Conclusion:  The buildings around the Plaza caused strong reverberations, or echoes, that followed the initial sound by from 0 .5 to 1 .5 sec . While these reflections caused no confusion to our listeners, who were prepared and expected to hear them, they may well have inflated the number of shots reported by the suprised witnesses during the assassination .  HSCA Earwitness Analysis Report, pgs 135-137
 
HSCA Conclusion: "The committee believed that the witnesses memories and testimony on the number, direction, and timing of the shots may have
been substantially influenced by the intervening publicity concerning the events of November 22 1963"   HSCA Final Report- pg 87

A theory based on a report that the people who wrote the report do not believe in its analysis or conclusion. That is probably why you have shots comprising your theory that in reality did not happen.

[Andrew Mason]

Oh but I did read it. Same made up unsupported nonsense. What you seem unable to understand, is that no discernable shot pattern is a pattern or could be interpreted to be evenly spaced. 85 non-descript shot pattern statements, all evenly spaced.

But the witnesses did not say that there was no discernible shot pattern.  They just didn't mention it.  And three evenly spaced shots is a discernible pattern.

WC Conclusion: "The eyewitness testimony may be subconsciously colored by the extensive publicity given the conclusion that three shots were fired"
 
HSCA Conclusion:  The buildings around the Plaza caused strong reverberations, or echoes, that followed the initial sound by from 0 .5 to 1 .5 sec . While these reflections caused no confusion to our listeners, who were prepared and expected to hear them, they may well have inflated the number of shots reported by the suprised witnesses during the assassination .  HSCA Earwitness Analysis Report, pgs 135-137

That might explain why some reported 4 or more shots.  It does not explain why witnesses heard three loud shots distinctly spaced shots, which is what the vast majority reported.  An echo that would have occurred 1.5 seconds after the shot would be from a surface 560 feet away from the observer.  Such an echo would be much less loud and easily distinguished from the muzzle blast
 

HSCA Conclusion: "The committee believed that the witnesses memories and testimony on the number, direction, and timing of the shots may have
been substantially influenced by the intervening publicity concerning the events of November 22 1963"   HSCA Final Report- pg 87

They appear not to have been familiar with the studies that had been done on the effect of publicity on witness accounts. These are all referred to in Loftus, Eyewitness Testimony, 1979 Chapter 4.  Receiving information within a day of the event that is consistent with what occurred, does not affect the accuracy of the witnesses in recalling details. In other words, the accuracy rate of witnesses is the same as those who received no information - about 80%.  However, those who received false information about the events within a day of the event were noticeably affected: 

[Jack Nessan]

But the witnesses did not say that there was no discernible shot pattern.  They just didn't mention it.  And three evenly spaced shots is a discernible pattern.
That might explain why some reported 4 or more shots.  It does not explain why witnesses heard three loud shots distinctly spaced shots, which is what the vast majority reported.  An echo that would have occurred 1.5 seconds after the shot would be from a surface 560 feet away from the observer.  Such an echo would be much less loud and easily distinguished from the muzzle blast
  They appear not to have been familiar with the studies that had been done on the effect of publicity on witness accounts. These are all referred to in Loftus, Eyewitness Testimony, 1979 Chapter 4.  Receiving information within a day of the event that is consistent with what occurred, does not affect the accuracy of the witnesses in recalling details. In other words, the accuracy rate of witnesses is the same as those who received no information - about 80%.  However, those who received false information about the events within a day of the event were noticeably affected: 

 

Here it is again, the usual cute and clever third grade attempts at logic. This must be the same clever logic you used when Thomas Canning decided the only way he was going to get rid of you was to fake the early stages of Alzheimer or dementia.

A lot is missing from your post. 

No answer to the fact that after your Z195 shot JFK continues to wave and smile at the spectators, even though according to your claim the bullet struck him at this time, and your paper stating JFK quits interacting with the crowd once he is shot. JFK was a real trooper to continue smiling and waving even though he was shot in the throat.

Proof of a shot at Z270. Proof there even was three shots. Nothing at all, just a lot of tripe about your strange witness claims and apparently oblivious to the fact that the HSCA, who produced the report, dismissed it and stated it was wrong. I guess you have to keep using it, if not what else is there.

A shot Clint Hill did not hear while Clint Hill was running. No answer at all. This was presented supposedly as proof of a shot at Z270. Clint Hill did not start running until Z310. He not only did not hear the shot, there never was one.

Continuing reliance of witness statements drawn from the HSCA report. Unfortunately, the HSCA ultimately declared the report was wrong, but don’t let that deter you from continuing to make erroneous assumptions in support of a completely failed theory. Ignored the WC making the same statement, but you know better because you are back to pretending you are a math major. 

[Andrew Mason]

Here it is again, the usual cute and clever third grade attempts at logic. This must be the same clever logic you used when Thomas Canning decided the only way he was going to get rid of you was to fake the early stages of Alzheimer or dementia.

A lot is missing from your post. 

No answer to the fact that after your Z195 shot JFK continues to wave and smile at the spectators, even though according to your claim the bullet struck him at this time, and your paper stating JFK quits interacting with the crowd once he is shot. JFK was a real trooper to continue smiling and waving even though he was shot in the throat.

Where do you see JFK continuing to smile at spectators after z193?  He appears to turn forward and start to bring his waving hand down:

[Jack Nessan]

Where do you see JFK continuing to smile at spectators after z193?  He appears to turn forward and start to bring his waving hand down:

If nothing else you are consistent. You never seem to tire of playing the role of the fool.

[Zeon Mason]

I do not see how it’s probable that a bullet that goes thru the back of JFK at Z193 would exit his throat and NOT hit JC somewhere in JCs back.

 How could it miss JC entirely?

Yes the angle is slightly different at Z193 than at Z224, but is that enough of a different angle to allow a bullet exiting JFCs throat to miss JC entirely either left or right of his upper body?

My earlier suggestion of a Z193 bullet hitting JFK and NOT exiting his body is improbable (imo)  because would not there be MUCH more transfer of momentum to JFKs body and therefore some noticeable forward movement of JFKs body in those frames from Z193-Z200 as Andrew has posted ?