That Is Not Officer Haygood = Conspiracy! Prove Me Wrong Challenge

[Lance Payette]

    You are unaware of those that only "look in" to this Forum and prefer to not participate. When he was still with us, Gary Mack chose going this route. There is much going on backstage that you are not aware of.
    You think I'm unorthodox? I prefer to think of myself as Vinny Gambini and I am about to call Mona Lisa Vito to the stand via my NEW Image Evidence. Case Closed! (again).

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OK, Cousin Vinny, but I think you're dreaming about the hordes of lurkers. You can see who's online, segregated by Members and Guests if you like. The very large majority of guests are clearly bots. If either this forum or the Ed Forum have 25 regular lurkers, I'd be astounded. Michael Capasse's forum, which is actually fairly decent in terms of layout and content, is moribund. I think it's a CT fantasy that there is some huge interest in the JFKA at the level of what's discussed on a forum such as this. It's just a hobby for a really miniscule few. If you or anyone else thinks he has a genuine LN-breaker, you need to convince someone with a little more historical clout than anyone here. Know how much mainstream academic/historical interest Newman's books have generated? None.

[Royell Storing]

OK, Cousin Vinny, but I think you're dreaming about the hordes of lurkers. You can see who's online, segregated by Members and Guests if you like. The very large majority of guests are clearly bots. If either this forum or the Ed Forum have 25 regular lurkers, I'd be astounded. Michael Capasse's forum, which is actually fairly decent in terms of layout and content, is moribund. I think it's a CT fantasy that there is some huge interest in the JFKA at the level of what's discussed on a forum such as this. It's just a hobby for a really miniscule few. If you or anyone else thinks he has a genuine LN-breaker, you need to convince someone with a little more historical clout than anyone here. Know how much mainstream academic/historical interest Newman's books have generated? None.

   Yes, I agree that JFK Assassination activity is slow here and elsewhere. But here, you would have to monitor this Forum 24/7 to know with certainty who is ducking in and out. And these people know specifically who they are looking for. I have been contacted by 2 names you would easily recognize as to my "getaway" car discovery. And this was done via my personal email.
    I have been waiting for 1+ year for the Sixth Floor Museum to post the last :20 of their NBC early generation Darnell Film copy. I was eagerly waiting to get a Hi Def look at this "No Glove Cop", but as time has passed I remind myself that they want ice water in hell too. I believe that once I post my NEW discovery and completely shred the Officer Haygood ID, NBC will go ahead, throw in the towel, and give the Sixth Floor Museum their OK to make that final :20 seconds of the Darnell Film public.
    Always remember that Vegas was created by OG's and takes pride in its' slogan, "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas". That ain't the case here. Here, "The walls have ears". 

[Michael T. Griffith]

None other than ultra-cautious researcher Dr. Paul Hoch discovered that most of the transmissions relating to Officer Tippit on the DPD dictabelt recordings were faked, were added later.

They were added to account for Tippit's strange, suspicious presence in Oak Cliff after the assassination.

I mention this to highlight the fact that we cannot always rely on the DPD radio recordings and transcripts.

[Royell Storing]

None other than ultra-cautious researcher Dr. Paul Hoch discovered that most of the transmissions relating to Officer Tippit on the DPD dictabelt recordings were faked, were added later.

They were added to account for Tippit's strange, suspicious presence in Oak Cliff after the assassination.

I mention this to highlight the fact that we cannot always rely on the DPD radio recordings and transcripts.

   The DPD Radio Transmissions I use were presented by the WC Attorneys. The Officers being Q/A'd then verified their having made these radio transmissions. The WC Attorneys did this in an effort to document how quickly DPD allegedly sealed off the TSBD. What these attorneys did was help me conclusively Prove the "No Glove Cop" we see on the Darnell/Martin Films is NOT Officer Haygood. And therefore a Conspiracy being used to assassinate JFK. This False ID = Conspiracy is a SLAM DUNK.   

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[Lance Payette]

The sense I have is that you think "proving" that One Glove Cop is not Haygood will equal proving a conspiracy. Would it? Proving that One Glove Cop (hereinafter OGC) was an imposter cop sent to Dealey Plaza in furtherance of a conspiracy - well, yes, I suppose that would do it. But as I've said with Cliff Varnell's claim that the alignment of the clothes, back wound and throat wound is absolutely dispositive for the existence of a conspiracy, you would need to prove these things to a level of absolute, unequivocal certainty. "I've made a good case that OGC isn't Haywood" won't do it.

Stepping back from your film analysis to the broader picture, I would wonder:

1. Where did OGC come from? Surely he wasn't riding a motorcycle in the motorcade?
2. Why was OGC dressed as a motorcycle cop? What did this add to the equation? Wouldn't it greatly increase the risk of his act being discovered?
3. Why would OGC remove one glove? Do any images of Haygood or other actual motorcycle cops show one or both gloves off?
4. Wouldn't it have been rather bold of OGC to walk right between Walthers and Harkness and other, genuine motorcycle cops?
5. Is it pure coincidence that OGC looks very similar to Haygood? Surely he wasn't actually impersonating Haygood - how would the conspirators have had any idea what the real Haygood would be doing?
6. What did OGC supposedly do that was in furtherance of the conspiracy? Why were his actions worth all the risks that a fake motorcycle cop would entail?
7. Where did OGC go when his mission was accomplished? Did he escape on a motorcycle? Did anyone report seeing a motorcycle cop leaving in a car?
8. Having read Haygood's WC testimony, what did he say that you think eliminates him as OGC? If it's a matter of timing, can you really narrow down that timing to a level of precision that makes it physically impossible for OGC to be Haygood?
9. Is it possible to eliminate the possibility that OGC was an actual motorcycle cop other than Haygood?
10. Is it possible that some other misleading mistake in the testimony or evidence is responsible for whatever it is that you think proves OGC is not Haygood? Does your theory hinge on all the testimony and evidence being exactly correct?

I'm not expecting you to answer these questions here, but I think you're going to need to put your OGC claim in at least a reasonably plausible, coherent context for it to carry any weight.

[Royell Storing]

The sense I have is that you think "proving" that One Glove Cop is not Haygood will equal proving a conspiracy. Would it? Proving that One Glove Cop (hereinafter OGC) was an imposter cop sent to Dealey Plaza in furtherance of a conspiracy - well, yes, I suppose that would do it. But as I've said with Cliff Varnell's claim that the alignment of the clothes, back wound and throat wound is absolutely dispositive for the existence of a conspiracy, you would need to prove these things to a level of absolute, unequivocal certainty. "I've made a good case that OGC isn't Haywood" won't do it.

Stepping back from your film analysis to the broader picture, I would wonder:

1. Where did OGC come from? Surely he wasn't riding a motorcycle in the motorcade?
2. Why was OGC dressed as a motorcycle cop? What did this add to the equation? Wouldn't it greatly increase the risk of his act being discovered?
3. Why would OGC remove one glove? Do any images of Haygood or other actual motorcycle cops show one or both gloves off?
4. Wouldn't it have been rather bold of OGC to walk right between Walthers and Harkness and other, genuine motorcycle cops?
5. Is it pure coincidence that OGC looks very similar to Haygood? Surely he wasn't actually impersonating Haygood - how would the conspirators have had any idea what the real Haygood would be doing?
6. What did OGC supposedly do that was in furtherance of the conspiracy? Why were his actions worth all the risks that a fake motorcycle cop would entail?
7. Where did OGC go when his mission was accomplished? Did he escape on a motorcycle? Did anyone report seeing a motorcycle cop leaving in a car?
8. Having read Haygood's WC testimony, what did he say that you think eliminates him as OGC? If it's a matter of timing, can you really narrow down that timing to a level of precision that makes it physically impossible for OGC to be Haygood?
9. Is it possible to eliminate the possibility that OGC was an actual motorcycle cop other than Haygood?
10. Is it possible that some other misleading mistake in the testimony or evidence is responsible for whatever it is that you think proves OGC is not Haygood? Does your theory hinge on all the testimony and evidence being exactly correct?

I'm not expecting you to answer these questions here, but I think you're going to need to put your OGC claim in at least a reasonably plausible, coherent context for it to carry any weight.

 
   The Who is this impostor and the Why, is the subject matter of a discussion that will reverberate well beyond this Forum. It is already ongoing backstage. As for the right here and right now, I would prefer to continue driving a stake directly into the heart of the Erroneous Haygood ID.
    As to there possibly being a mistake in: (1) Testimony, and/or, (2) Evidence, what's left after that? Image Evidence? I have that too. This Deny, Deny, Deny, defense in the face of a Mountain of Hard Evidence is reminiscent of the OJ Simpson Trial. This is where we are at regarding the ID of DPD Officer Haygood inside the train yard on the Darnell/Martin Films. 

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[Lance Payette]

 
   The Who is this impostor and the Why, is the subject matter of a discussion that will reverberate well beyond this Forum. It is already ongoing backstage. As for the right here and right now, I would prefer to continue driving a stake directly into the heart of the Erroneous Haygood ID.
    As to there possibly being a mistake in: (1) Testimony, and/or, (2) Evidence, what's left after that? Image Evidence? I have that too. This Deny, Deny, Deny, defense in the face of a Mountain of Hard Evidence is reminiscent of the OJ Simpson Trial. This is where we are at regarding the ID of DPD Officer Haygood inside the train yard on the Darnell/Martin Films. 

                                  .......................... NEW Image Evidence COMING SOON  ................................................

No one is denying, denying, denying. We, or at least I, are questioning, questioning, questioning. I don't think you will ever be able to "drive a stake" into the Erroneous Haygood ID without confronting some of the questions I raised.

My point regarding the testimony and evidence is that you would have to be certain that whatever testimony and evidence (including images) on which you rely is fully accurate. If the films conflict with what Haygood said he did, or others said he did, perhaps their recollections were simply faulty. Perhaps the sequence of what Haygood said he did is faulty, so the timing of the radio transmissions is less a problem than you seem to think.

I may well have a confirmation bias - not because I desperately want it to be Haygood on the films but because the notion of a "motorcycle cop imposter who looks an awful lot like Haygood" strikes me as exceedingly improbable in the context of any conspiracy I can imagine.

Since I joined here a year ago, you've been referring to major events going on "backstage" or "behind the scenes" and bombshell revelations that we should be awaiting. Perhaps it's about time to put some meat on these promises?

[Royell Storing]

No one is denying, denying, denying. We, or at least I, are questioning, questioning, questioning. I don't think you will ever be able to "drive a stake" into the Erroneous Haygood ID without confronting some of the questions I raised.

My point regarding the testimony and evidence is that you would have to be certain that whatever testimony and evidence (including images) on which you rely is fully accurate. If the films conflict with what Haygood said he did, or others said he did, perhaps their recollections were simply faulty. Perhaps the sequence of what Haygood said he did is faulty, so the timing of the radio transmissions is less a problem than you seem to think.

I may well have a confirmation bias - not because I desperately want it to be Haygood on the films but because the notion of a "motorcycle cop imposter who looks an awful lot like Haygood" strikes me as exceedingly improbable in the context of any conspiracy I can imagine.

Since I joined here a year ago, you've been referring to major events going on "backstage" or "behind the scenes" and bombshell revelations that we should be awaiting. Perhaps it's about time to put some meat on these promises?

    Are you aware of anyone, at any point in time, noting that the "getaway" car was NOT on the Wiegman Film but 20 seconds later IS on the Couch/Darnell Films? We can debate what the purpose of that car parking in a "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone was, or why it then sat there for at least 3+ hours. But that car  being in motion down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St is NOT debateable. Have you EVER heard anyone reference Haygood's Documented 12:35 DPD Radio Transmission? How about anyone EVER pointing out the Cancellare Photo showing Officer Haygood atop the Triple Underpass wearing BOTH Gloves? I bring this up to highlight the piss-poor job the Old Guard JFK Assassination Research Community did. There is ton of new JFK Assassination Evidence yet to be made public.

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