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That Is Not Officer Haygood = Conspiracy! Prove Me Wrong Challenge
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Charles Collins on March 28, 2024, 11:06:15 PM ---
Please post your "Evidence" regarding the time stamp you are placing on the Murray Photo.
It is simple. Harkness radioed in that he had Amos Euins with him at approximately 12:36. Here is Harkness’ testimony to support this:
Mr. HARKNESS - This area.
Mr. BELIN - You are pointing to a place between what would be the extension of Elm that doesn't go down into the parkway but the actual extension of Elm?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes; to the plaza area.
Mr. BELIN - The plaza area?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What did you find there?
Mr. HARKNESS - I found a little colored boy, Amos Euins, who told me he saw the shots come from that building.
Mr. BELIN - Now you just picked out a little small book, one of those little pocket notebooks?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Or a notepad from your pocket here. Is that the original notation that you made?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - When did you make that notation?
Mr. HARKNESS - Immediately after the shooting.
Mr. BELIN - Is that your own record that you have kept in your possession since then?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir. I turned.
Mr. BELIN - You turned what?
Mr. HARKNESS - After I took his name and address and put this information on the radio, I then took him on the back of my three-wheel motorcycle and put him in Inspector Sawyer's car.
Mr. BELIN - Now you mentioned that you put something on the radio here, and I hand you here what has been marked as Sawyer Deposition Exhibit A. Before doing that, do you remember what call number you used, you were using on that day?
Mr. HARKNESS - I believe 260.
Mr. BELIN - Well, I notice here that there is a call with a notation at 12:36 p.m., 260 to 531. 531 is your office in the main station?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What does it say there on that transcript?
Mr. HARKNESS - "Witness says shots came from fifth floor, Texas Book Depository store at Houston and Elm. I have him with me now and we are sealing off the building."
Mr. BELIN - All right, that was at 12:36 p.m.?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
The third Murray photo in Trask’s book “Pictures of the Pain” (not Murray’s third attempt to make a photo, some attempts were completely over exposed) clearly shows Amos Euins wandering in the parking/railroad yard area unescorted by Harkness. Therefore this photo was taken well before Harkness found Euins, listened to his story, and got to his motorcycle and radioed his message in at approximately 12:36. Do you understand this logic?
The second Murray photo in Trask’s book was taken before the photo with Euins in it. Therefore this photo was also taken well before approximately 12:36. This photo shows a cop (who is believed to be Haygood) with a white helmet walking near the tree on the left side of the photo. Do you understand this logic?
Murray took one additional photo (the fourth Murray photo in Trask’s book) looking east up the Elm Street extension before he headed southwest to the grassy knoll and took another photo (the fifth Murray photo in Trask’s book) of the crowd including the people around Haygood’s motorcycle. Haygood’s helmet can be seen in this photo. James Hackerott verified via the shadow clock that this photo (the fifth Murray photo in Trask’s book) was taken at approximately 12:36. James’ work supports the above logical inferences that the first four Murray photos in Trask’s book were taken before 12:36. In other words: If the fifth photo in Trask’s book was taken at approximately 12:36 the previous four photos were taken before 12:36. Do you understand this logic?
Now, if you understand and apply the three logical inferences above. The Harkness testimony regarding the timing and the meaning of his radio message (confirms that it is regarding Amos Euins) and the actual radio tape recordings are the evidence that places the time stamp on Murray’s photos.
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Thanks, but I am interested in FACTS. "Logical inferences"? "BELIEVED to be Haygood" and "Well Before" are Not facts. Same goes for the "Approximate" timeline resulting from the "shadow" work.
The 12:36 Harkness radio transmission is a Fact, but of course, this would be After the 12:35 radio transmission of Officer Haygood. This is my opinion, but that Murray photo'd White Helmeted cop is the "No Glove Cop". Haygood was Mis-ID'd walking across the train yard, and you are now compounding that Error with your echoing the erroneous Haygood ID on the Murray Photo. Remember, Murray said it took him 3 minutes alone to just get to his car and retrieve his cameras. Murray now has Only 2 Minutes to get back to Elm St and shoot 4 pics there BEFORE heading down the Elm Ext and taking the Euins photo. And during this same 2 Minute time period, Murray is slowly coming to the realization that shots were fired/ JFK has been shot. Up to this point, Murray thought the pops he heard were fire crackers. Murray is in No Hurry as he walks back from his car and eventually begins taking the 4 photos on Elm St. With Officer Haygood having made No Mention of walking across the train yard and then down the Elm Ext, his being ID'd as this cop on the Darnell/Martin Films is either an Egregious Error or like the Warren Report itself, part of the effort to button up the JFK Assassination ASAP. Haygood's WC Testimony is a FACT. He makes No Mention of ever checking out a caboose, train cars, passenger train cars, or helping with crowd control back in the train yard. He also says Nothing about walking down the Elm Ext. Haygood says he spoke with what he "Presumed" was a rail road detective. We see part of this convo in the Cancellare Photo as Haygood stood atop the Triple Underpass. The Cancellare Photo is a FACT. Haygood making that 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle is a FACT. The WC Testimony of James Tague and his detailing that he saw Haygood BACK at his motorcycle at roughly 3:00 AFTER the Kill Shot further supports My Groundbreaking Discovery. Officer Haygood climbed onto the top of Triple Underpass, talked with a "presumed" railroad detective, saw nothing going on, and then went right back to his motorcycle. Tague cements this being the case. And remember, Officer Haygood has BOTH Gloves on in the Cancellare Photo as he stands atop the Triple Underpass. That "NO Glove Cop" in the Darnell/Martin Films is Not Haygood. My challenge stands!
Charles Collins:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on March 29, 2024, 08:52:35 PM --- Thanks, but I am interested in FACTS. "Logical inferences"? "BELIEVED to be Haygood" and "Well Before" are Not facts. Same goes for the "Approximate" timeline resulting from the "shadow" work.
The 12:36 Harkness radio transmission is a Fact, but of course, this would be After the 12:35 radio transmission of Officer Haygood. This is my opinion, but that Murray photo'd White Helmeted cop is the "No Glove Cop". Haygood was Mis-ID'd walking across the train yard, and you are now compounding that Error with your echoing the erroneous Haygood ID on the Murray Photo. Remember, Murray said it took him 3 minutes alone to just get to his car and retrieve his cameras. Murray now has Only 2 Minutes to get back to Elm St and shoot 4 pics there BEFORE heading down the Elm Ext and taking the Euins photo. And during this same 2 Minute time period, Murray is slowly coming to the realization that shots were fired/ JFK has been shot. Up to this point, Murray thought the pops he heard were fire crackers. Murray is in No Hurry as he walks back from his car and eventually begins taking the 4 photos on Elm St. With Officer Haygood having made No Mention of walking across the train yard and then down the Elm Ext, his being ID'd as this cop on the Darnell/Martin Films is either an Egregious Error or like the Warren Report itself, part of the effort to button up the JFK Assassination ASAP. Haygood's WC Testimony is a FACT. He makes No Mention of ever checking out a caboose, train cars, passenger train cars, or helping with crowd control back in the train yard. He also says Nothing about walking down the Elm Ext. Haygood says he spoke with what he "Presumed" was a rail road detective. We see part of this convo in the Cancellare Photo as Haygood stood atop the Triple Underpass. The Cancellare Photo is a FACT. Haygood making that 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle is a FACT. The WC Testimony of James Tague and his detailing that he saw Haygood BACK at his motorcycle at roughly 3:00 AFTER the Kill Shot further supports My Groundbreaking Discovery. Officer Haygood climbed onto the top of Triple Underpass, talked with a "presumed" railroad detective, saw nothing going on, and then went right back to his motorcycle. Tague cements this being the case. And remember, Officer Haygood has BOTH Gloves on in the Cancellare Photo as he stands atop the Triple Underpass. That "NO Glove Cop" in the Darnell/Martin Films is Not Haygood. My challenge stands!
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. "Logical inferences"?
Yes, absolutely, logical inferences are an essential part of the fact finding process. Here is a snip from a pattern jury instruction regarding this process:
In considering the evidence, you are permitted to draw such reasonable inferences from the testimony and exhibits as you feel are justied in the light of com- mon experience. In other words, you may make deduc- tions and reach conclusions that reason and common sense lead you to draw from the facts which have been established by the evidence.
Courts are interested in finding the truth in order to try to conduct fair trials. Are you interested in finding the truth? Or are you only interested in considering whatever “facts” you think promote your ideas?
If you think the logic or conclusions I presented are faulty, then present your argument against the logic or conclusions. Otherwise:
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Charles Collins on March 30, 2024, 12:25:17 AM ---
. "Logical inferences"?
Yes, absolutely, logical inferences are an essential part of the fact finding process. Here is a snip from a pattern jury instruction regarding this process:
In considering the evidence, you are permitted to draw such reasonable inferences from the testimony and exhibits as you feel are justied in the light of com- mon experience. In other words, you may make deduc- tions and reach conclusions that reason and common sense lead you to draw from the facts which have been established by the evidence.
Courts are interested in finding the truth in order to try to conduct fair trials. Are you interested in finding the truth? Or are you only interested in considering whatever “facts” you think promote your ideas?
If you think the logic or conclusions I presented are faulty, then present your argument against the logic or conclusions. Otherwise:
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".....from the FACTS which has been established by the EVIDENCE". This is the Bar to which I hold myself and the foundation of the the Discovery I have established as Now being Fact. The FACT of DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood making a 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle at the Elm St curb has NEVER Previously been considered with regard to the timeline of the "No Glove Cop" captured on the Darnell/Martin Films. The FACT of there being Only a 5 Minute Window between the 12:30 Kill Shot and Officer Haygood's 12:35 radio transmission rules Haygood out as being the "No Glove Cop" captured on the Darnell/Martin Films. The WC Testimony of James Tague seeing Officer Haygood BACK at his motorcycle within 3 minutes following the Kill Shot, corroborates Officer Haygood NOT being the "No Glove Cop" filmed by Darnell/Martin back inside the train yard and then walking down the Elm St Ext. My Fact Based Challenge to this Forum stands!
Royell Storing:
And while we are on the subject of Boner ID's, my Discovery/Challenge Stands!! That is Not Officer Haygood on the Darnell/Martin Films.
Royell Storing:
I have Proven that the DPD Motorcycle Officer we see on the Darnell and Martin Films is NOT OFFICER HAYGOOD. My putting this Urban Legend to bed after 60+ yrs has resulted in suddenly silencing the entire LN Community that inundates this forum 24/7. My discovery in conjunction with the Knott Labs Laser 360 SCIENCE recently Proving that the SBT "IS IMPOSSIBLE", now provides the foundation for declaring that a Conspiracy was used to assassinate JFK. With respect to my having Proven that Officer Haygood is not the alleged DPD Motorcycle Cop on the Darnell and Martin films, I now ask the suddenly silent LN Community: (1) Specifically WHO is this alleged DPD Cop on the Darnell & Martin Films?, (2) Where is his Motorcycle?, and (3) Why is he wearing Only 1 Glove? (Officer Haygood clearly wore 2 gloves as he stood atop the Triple Underpass on the Cancellare Photo). I await answers to these questions from the "cat got their tongues" LN Community.
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