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That Is Not Officer Haygood = Conspiracy! Prove Me Wrong Challenge
Mitch Todd:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on March 12, 2024, 07:11:56 PM --- You look at good copies of the Darnell/Martin Films and BEHIND that 1 Glove DPD Cop, you can clearly see that railroad spur that ran behind the TSBD and stretched across the Elm St Ext. This landmark establishes that this alleged DPD Cop is firmly on the Elm Ext and WALKING toward the TSBD Loading Dock. You even get a brief look at a portion of that same loading dock.
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Again, Old Elm ends at the Pergola. Anything beyond that to the west is (well, was at the time) private property, and not a public roadway. The rail yard begins where the bricks end.
Think of it this way, and you've kind of answered this yourself: you noted that there is an RR spur running across the way. If there's a spur line there, you're in a rail yard.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Charles Collins on March 11, 2024, 12:39:17 PM ---Bobby Hargis’ testimony indicates that he was in that area about the time that the TSBD was finally sealed. From his testimony to the WC:
… so, I came back to the Texas School Book Depository. At that time it seemed like the activity was centered around the Texas School Book Depository, so, that is when I heard someone say, one of the sergeants or lieutenants, I don't know, "Don't let any- one out of the Texas School Book Depository," and so, I went to a gap that had not been filled, which was at the southwest corner. Mr. STERN. And you remained there until you were relieved? Mr. HARGIS. Yes.
I have drawn a yellow circle around the area that is the southwest corner of the TSBD. Isn’t this the area where the motorcycle cop in question was filmed?
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As I pointed out earlier, that Railroad Spur is BEHIND the 1 Glove DPD Cop as he WALKS toward the TSBD Loading Dock. There is no way this alleged DPD Cop is Officer Haygood. He simply does Not have enough time to reach the Haygood motorcycle at the Elm St Curb and make that Documented 12:35 transmission. Either: (1) This is an unknown DPD Motorcycle Cop, or (2) This is an imposture.
Charles Collins:
After taking a closer look at the photographical record, with the aid of Mark Tyler’s Motorcade 63 animation, I have a better conception of Hargis’ actions in the first 60-seconds after the headshot. One interesting comment by Milton Wright (the driver of the car in which Mayor Cabell and party were riding) is worth noting:
He stopped the car because an officer had jumped off his motorcycle right in front of Wright's vehicle. The officer had his gun out and was aiming it toward the Texas Depository Building.
https://www.fbherald.com/news/as-a-young-dps-trooper-sheriff-milton-wright-was-in-jfks-motorcade/article_cc81964f-38b5-5a2b-b7e5-10aa30473b9f.html
Looking at the Motorcade 63 animation, it appears that there were actually three motorcycle officers in the road directly in front of Milton Wright. Hargis (37) had apparently already (within 10-seconds) dismounted his motorcycle and was in the middle of the road with his pistol drawn and pointing toward the TSBD.
Mitch Todd:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on March 13, 2024, 01:36:11 AM --- As I pointed out earlier, that Railroad Spur is BEHIND the 1 Glove DPD Cop as he WALKS toward the TSBD Loading Dock. There is no way this alleged DPD Cop is Officer Haywood. He simply does Not have enough time to reach the Haygood motorcycle at the Elm St Curb and make that Documented 12:35 transmission. Either: (1) This is an unknown DPD Motorcycle Cop, or (2) This is an imposture.
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Who said that Haygood used the radio on his own motorcycle? By 12:35, both Harkness and King had their three-wheelers on top of the rail yard. One of them is seen riding around in the rail yard in the Hughes film. He could have just borrowed their radios
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on March 12, 2024, 04:53:34 PM --- The ID of the 1 Glove DPD Motorcycle Cop filmed by Darnell/Martin is far too serious to now veer off topic. That alleged DPD Motorcycle Cop is Not Haygood. Haygood's Documented 5:00 timeline after the Kill Shot completely rules him out.
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I'm not veering off anything. I'm just highlighting that you completely make up all your timings out of thin air.
And that they are usually way off.
The four minutes you assign for Haygood to get to the underpass fence is a joke, completely made up by you.
You are shown real evidence demonstrating the time is actually half that and you just brush it off because it doesn't agree with your completely made up timings.
How can anything be proven to you if you don't accept actual evidence.
It's fair enough that some timings must be estimated, I have no problem with that, but these estimations must emanate from the evidence.
Saying "well, I think it's this" isn't good enough.
I've looked at the Darnell footage a lot more closely and realised the route I did for Haygood needs updating.
In the pic below:
1] Where Haygood leaves his bike
2] Haygood at the underpass fence
3] Haygood seen behind Roger Craig
4] Haygood seen walking towards the TSBD
From 4 back to 1 just shows Haygood's quickest route back to his bike after we see him in the Darnell film walking towards the TSBD building.
As Mitch has pointed out a couple of times, Haygood is not walking along the Elm Street extension, he is in the railroad yard. The extension ends at the yellow line on the pic below:
Haygood is at point 2 within one minute and forty seconds.
This gives him 3 to 4 minutes to walk the route outlined.
This is really easily done.
No need for impostors or any of that nonsense.
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