That Is Not Officer Haygood = Conspiracy! Prove Me Wrong Challenge

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Re: That Is Not Officer Haygood = Conspiracy! Prove Me Wrong Challenge
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2024, 04:03:35 PM »
Mark Tyler’s animation Motorcade 63 indicates that Hargis had already ran to the top of the triple underpass to look and ran back to his motorcycle and was headed toward the underpass on his motorcycle within a minute of the headshot. I have circled Hargis (#3) in this screenshot of the animation:



    According to the Hargis WC Testimony, he ran to the the light post and then ran to, "....kind of a little wall, brick wall". Hargis makes no mention of ever running "to the top of the triple underpass".  Hargis being at that low level wall, (that also becomes the Black Dog Man Nook), could have been easily verified by either Zapruder or Sitzman. Even if it took Officer Hargis 30-45 seconds to cross Elm St and reach that "little wall", Sitzman and Zapruder would have just finished climbing down from the Zapruder Perch. Hargis would have been very physically close to both of them. But of course, once again the JFK Assassination Research Community FAILED to ask this question of either Sitzman or Zapruder. A lot of the uncertainty surrounding the principle players in this assassination case should have been answered long ago.
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Re: That Is Not Officer Haygood = Conspiracy! Prove Me Wrong Challenge
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2024, 04:16:02 PM »
    According to the Hargis WC Testimony, he ran to the the light post and then ran to, "....kind of a little wall, brick wall". Hargis makes no mention of ever running "to the top of the triple underpass".  Hargis being at that low level wall, (that also becomes the Black Dog Man Nook), could have been easily verified by either Zapruder or Sitzman. Even if it took Officer Hargis 30-45 seconds to cross Elm St and reach that "little wall", Sitzman and Zapruder would have just finished climbing down from the Zapruder Perch. Hargis would have been very physically close to both of them. But of course, once again the JFK Assassination Research Community FAILED to ask this question of either Sitzman or Zapruder. A lot of the uncertainty surrounding the principle players in this assassination case should have been answered long ago.

The Bell film shows that Zapruder and Sitzman were off the wall and walking away within six seconds of the limo entering the underpass. Add on the 9 seconds it takes for the limo to reach the underpass after the headshot and you have Zap and Sitz away within 15 seconds.
Your ability to calculate how long it takes events to happen really leaves a lot to be desired.

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Re: That Is Not Officer Haygood = Conspiracy! Prove Me Wrong Challenge
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2024, 04:53:34 PM »
The Bell film shows that Zapruder and Sitzman were off the wall and walking away within six seconds of the limo entering the underpass. Add on the 9 seconds it takes for the limo to reach the underpass after the headshot and you have Zap and Sitz away within 15 seconds.
Your ability to calculate how long it takes events to happen really leaves a lot to be desired.

      The ID of the 1 Glove DPD Motorcycle Cop filmed by Darnell/Martin is far too serious to now veer off topic. That alleged DPD Motorcycle Cop is Not Haygood. Haygood's Documented 5:00 timeline after the Kill Shot completely rules him out.   

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Re: That Is Not Officer Haygood = Conspiracy! Prove Me Wrong Challenge
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2024, 07:11:56 PM »
In the Darnell film, the motorcycle officer and Harkness are in the railyard west of the TSBD, roughly around the leftmost corner of the red pentagon. The Elm street extension (What a couple of longtime Big D OGs have told me is called "Old Elm," since the "extension" is actually the westernmost end of the original Elm street) only extends to the end of the TSBD lot. Anything to the west is part of the Union Terminal railyard.   

    You look at good copies of the Darnell/Martin Films and BEHIND that 1 Glove DPD Cop, you can clearly see that railroad spur that ran behind the TSBD and stretched across the Elm St Ext. This landmark establishes that this alleged DPD Cop is firmly on the Elm Ext and WALKING toward the TSBD Loading Dock. You even get a brief look at a portion of that same loading dock.   
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Re: That Is Not Officer Haygood = Conspiracy! Prove Me Wrong Challenge
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2024, 11:04:27 PM »
    You look at good copies of the Darnell/Martin Films and BEHIND that 1 Glove DPD Cop, you can clearly see that railroad spur that ran behind the TSBD and stretched across the Elm St Ext. This landmark establishes that this alleged DPD Cop is firmly on the Elm Ext and WALKING toward the TSBD Loading Dock. You even get a brief look at a portion of that same loading dock.
Again, Old Elm ends at the Pergola. Anything beyond that to the west is (well, was at the time) private property, and not a public roadway. The rail yard begins where the bricks end.

Think of it this way, and you've kind of answered this yourself: you noted that there is an RR spur running across the way. If there's a spur line there, you're in a rail yard. 

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Re: That Is Not Officer Haygood = Conspiracy! Prove Me Wrong Challenge
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2024, 01:36:11 AM »
Bobby Hargis’ testimony indicates that he was in that area about the time that the TSBD was finally sealed. From his testimony to the WC:

… so, I came back to the Texas School Book Depository. At that time it seemed like the activity was centered around the Texas School Book Depository, so, that is when I heard someone say, one of the sergeants or lieutenants, I don't know, "Don't let any- one out of the Texas School Book Depository," and so, I went to a gap that had not been filled, which was at the southwest corner. Mr. STERN. And you remained there until you were relieved? Mr. HARGIS. Yes.

I have drawn a yellow circle around the area that is the southwest corner of the TSBD. Isn’t this the area where the motorcycle cop in question was filmed?



 As I pointed out earlier, that Railroad Spur is BEHIND the 1 Glove DPD Cop as he WALKS toward the TSBD Loading Dock. There is no way this alleged DPD Cop is Officer Haygood. He simply does Not have enough time to reach the Haygood motorcycle at the Elm St Curb and make that Documented 12:35 transmission. Either: (1) This is an unknown DPD Motorcycle Cop, or (2) This is an imposture.
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Re: That Is Not Officer Haygood = Conspiracy! Prove Me Wrong Challenge
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2024, 01:48:40 AM »
After taking a closer look at the photographical record, with the aid of Mark Tyler’s Motorcade 63 animation, I have a better conception of Hargis’ actions in the first 60-seconds after the headshot. One interesting comment by Milton Wright (the driver of the car in which Mayor Cabell and party were riding) is worth noting:

He stopped the car because an officer had jumped off his motorcycle right in front of Wright's vehicle. The officer had his gun out and was aiming it toward the Texas Depository Building.

https://www.fbherald.com/news/as-a-young-dps-trooper-sheriff-milton-wright-was-in-jfks-motorcade/article_cc81964f-38b5-5a2b-b7e5-10aa30473b9f.html

Looking at the Motorcade 63 animation, it appears that there were actually three motorcycle officers in the road directly in front of Milton Wright. Hargis (37) had apparently already (within 10-seconds) dismounted his motorcycle and was in the middle of the road with his pistol drawn and pointing toward the TSBD.