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That Is Not Officer Haygood = Conspiracy! Prove Me Wrong Challenge
Lance Payette:
The sense I have is that you think "proving" that One Glove Cop is not Haygood will equal proving a conspiracy. Would it? Proving that One Glove Cop (hereinafter OGC) was an imposter cop sent to Dealey Plaza in furtherance of a conspiracy - well, yes, I suppose that would do it. But as I've said with Cliff Varnell's claim that the alignment of the clothes, back wound and throat wound is absolutely dispositive for the existence of a conspiracy, you would need to prove these things to a level of absolute, unequivocal certainty. "I've made a good case that OGC isn't Haywood" won't do it.
Stepping back from your film analysis to the broader picture, I would wonder:
1. Where did OGC come from? Surely he wasn't riding a motorcycle in the motorcade?
2. Why was OGC dressed as a motorcycle cop? What did this add to the equation? Wouldn't it greatly increase the risk of his act being discovered?
3. Why would OGC remove one glove? Do any images of Haygood or other actual motorcycle cops show one or both gloves off?
4. Wouldn't it have been rather bold of OGC to walk right between Walthers and Harkness and other, genuine motorcycle cops?
5. Is it pure coincidence that OGC looks very similar to Haygood? Surely he wasn't actually impersonating Haygood - how would the conspirators have had any idea what the real Haygood would be doing?
6. What did OGC supposedly do that was in furtherance of the conspiracy? Why were his actions worth all the risks that a fake motorcycle cop would entail?
7. Where did OGC go when his mission was accomplished? Did he escape on a motorcycle? Did anyone report seeing a motorcycle cop leaving in a car?
8. Having read Haygood's WC testimony, what did he say that you think eliminates him as OGC? If it's a matter of timing, can you really narrow down that timing to a level of precision that makes it physically impossible for OGC to be Haygood?
9. Is it possible to eliminate the possibility that OGC was an actual motorcycle cop other than Haygood?
10. Is it possible that some other misleading mistake in the testimony or evidence is responsible for whatever it is that you think proves OGC is not Haygood? Does your theory hinge on all the testimony and evidence being exactly correct?
I'm not expecting you to answer these questions here, but I think you're going to need to put your OGC claim in at least a reasonably plausible, coherent context for it to carry any weight.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Lance Payette on January 25, 2026, 01:14:31 PM ---The sense I have is that you think "proving" that One Glove Cop is not Haygood will equal proving a conspiracy. Would it? Proving that One Glove Cop (hereinafter OGC) was an imposter cop sent to Dealey Plaza in furtherance of a conspiracy - well, yes, I suppose that would do it. But as I've said with Cliff Varnell's claim that the alignment of the clothes, back wound and throat wound is absolutely dispositive for the existence of a conspiracy, you would need to prove these things to a level of absolute, unequivocal certainty. "I've made a good case that OGC isn't Haywood" won't do it.
Stepping back from your film analysis to the broader picture, I would wonder:
1. Where did OGC come from? Surely he wasn't riding a motorcycle in the motorcade?
2. Why was OGC dressed as a motorcycle cop? What did this add to the equation? Wouldn't it greatly increase the risk of his act being discovered?
3. Why would OGC remove one glove? Do any images of Haygood or other actual motorcycle cops show one or both gloves off?
4. Wouldn't it have been rather bold of OGC to walk right between Walthers and Harkness and other, genuine motorcycle cops?
5. Is it pure coincidence that OGC looks very similar to Haygood? Surely he wasn't actually impersonating Haygood - how would the conspirators have had any idea what the real Haygood would be doing?
6. What did OGC supposedly do that was in furtherance of the conspiracy? Why were his actions worth all the risks that a fake motorcycle cop would entail?
7. Where did OGC go when his mission was accomplished? Did he escape on a motorcycle? Did anyone report seeing a motorcycle cop leaving in a car?
8. Having read Haygood's WC testimony, what did he say that you think eliminates him as OGC? If it's a matter of timing, can you really narrow down that timing to a level of precision that makes it physically impossible for OGC to be Haygood?
9. Is it possible to eliminate the possibility that OGC was an actual motorcycle cop other than Haygood?
10. Is it possible that some other misleading mistake in the testimony or evidence is responsible for whatever it is that you think proves OGC is not Haygood? Does your theory hinge on all the testimony and evidence being exactly correct?
I'm not expecting you to answer these questions here, but I think you're going to need to put your OGC claim in at least a reasonably plausible, coherent context for it to carry any weight.
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The Who is this impostor and the Why, is the subject matter of a discussion that will reverberate well beyond this Forum. It is already ongoing backstage. As for the right here and right now, I would prefer to continue driving a stake directly into the heart of the Erroneous Haygood ID.
As to there possibly being a mistake in: (1) Testimony, and/or, (2) Evidence, what's left after that? Image Evidence? I have that too. This Deny, Deny, Deny, defense in the face of a Mountain of Hard Evidence is reminiscent of the OJ Simpson Trial. This is where we are at regarding the ID of DPD Officer Haygood inside the train yard on the Darnell/Martin Films.
.......................... NEW Image Evidence COMING SOON ................................................
Lance Payette:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on January 25, 2026, 03:15:20 PM ---
The Who is this impostor and the Why, is the subject matter of a discussion that will reverberate well beyond this Forum. It is already ongoing backstage. As for the right here and right now, I would prefer to continue driving a stake directly into the heart of the Erroneous Haygood ID.
As to there possibly being a mistake in: (1) Testimony, and/or, (2) Evidence, what's left after that? Image Evidence? I have that too. This Deny, Deny, Deny, defense in the face of a Mountain of Hard Evidence is reminiscent of the OJ Simpson Trial. This is where we are at regarding the ID of DPD Officer Haygood inside the train yard on the Darnell/Martin Films.
.......................... NEW Image Evidence COMING SOON ................................................
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No one is denying, denying, denying. We, or at least I, are questioning, questioning, questioning. I don't think you will ever be able to "drive a stake" into the Erroneous Haygood ID without confronting some of the questions I raised.
My point regarding the testimony and evidence is that you would have to be certain that whatever testimony and evidence (including images) on which you rely is fully accurate. If the films conflict with what Haygood said he did, or others said he did, perhaps their recollections were simply faulty. Perhaps the sequence of what Haygood said he did is faulty, so the timing of the radio transmissions is less a problem than you seem to think.
I may well have a confirmation bias - not because I desperately want it to be Haygood on the films but because the notion of a "motorcycle cop imposter who looks an awful lot like Haygood" strikes me as exceedingly improbable in the context of any conspiracy I can imagine.
Since I joined here a year ago, you've been referring to major events going on "backstage" or "behind the scenes" and bombshell revelations that we should be awaiting. Perhaps it's about time to put some meat on these promises?
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Lance Payette on January 25, 2026, 06:15:30 PM ---No one is denying, denying, denying. We, or at least I, are questioning, questioning, questioning. I don't think you will ever be able to "drive a stake" into the Erroneous Haygood ID without confronting some of the questions I raised.
My point regarding the testimony and evidence is that you would have to be certain that whatever testimony and evidence (including images) on which you rely is fully accurate. If the films conflict with what Haygood said he did, or others said he did, perhaps their recollections were simply faulty. Perhaps the sequence of what Haygood said he did is faulty, so the timing of the radio transmissions is less a problem than you seem to think.
I may well have a confirmation bias - not because I desperately want it to be Haygood on the films but because the notion of a "motorcycle cop imposter who looks an awful lot like Haygood" strikes me as exceedingly improbable in the context of any conspiracy I can imagine.
Since I joined here a year ago, you've been referring to major events going on "backstage" or "behind the scenes" and bombshell revelations that we should be awaiting. Perhaps it's about time to put some meat on these promises?
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Are you aware of anyone, at any point in time, noting that the "getaway" car was NOT on the Wiegman Film but 20 seconds later IS on the Couch/Darnell Films? We can debate what the purpose of that car parking in a "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone was, or why it then sat there for at least 3+ hours. But that car being in motion down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St is NOT debateable. Have you EVER heard anyone reference Haygood's Documented 12:35 DPD Radio Transmission? How about anyone EVER pointing out the Cancellare Photo showing Officer Haygood atop the Triple Underpass wearing BOTH Gloves? I bring this up to highlight the piss-poor job the Old Guard JFK Assassination Research Community did. There is ton of new JFK Assassination Evidence yet to be made public.
......................................... NEW Image Evidence COMING SOON ..................................................
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on March 13, 2024, 04:22:03 PM ---I haven’t seen the footage that shows one glove missing from Michael Jackson
:D :D
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The Darnell Film still frame above does Not show DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood. It is impossible for Haygood and Harkness to be together BEFORE 12:35.
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12:35 - Motorcycle Officer Haygood makes Documented DPD Radio Transmission from his motorcycle parked at the (N) Elm Curb.
12:36 - DPD Officer Harkness makes Documented DPD Radio Transmission - "Witness says shots came from the 5th floor, Texas School Book Depository
store at Houston and Elm. I have him with me now, and we are sealing off the building".
NEW IMAGE EVIDENCE - You Tube, "The Full Darnell Film" By - The JFK Theorist (23:31 - 23:39)
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Officer Harkness gave WC Testimony that he heard shots fired, and then rode his 3 wheeled motorcycle down Main St. He looked around the Triple Underpass area. Finding nothing, he went to the front of the TSBD and then around to the, "fence across from Elm St". This is where Harkness heard the Amos Euins story. Harkness then made his 12:36 radio transmission posted above. (At this same point in time, Officer Haygood is already back at his motorcycle and has made his 12:35 DPD radio transmission).
The Martin Film shows Amos Euins on the back of Officer Harkness 3 wheel motorcycle racing down the Elm St Ext. No people are blocking the street.
National Geographic's "Manhunt: The Search For JFK's Killer" shows Euins seated in the back of Inspector Sawyer's car. No people are blocking the street.
NEW IMAGE EVIDENCE - "The Full Darnell Film" by - The JFK Theorist. (23:31 - 23:39) This YOU TUBE posting of the Darnell Film supplies yet another Lost Snippet from the Darnell Film. This snippet is Not on the JFK Forum's You Tube posting of the Darnell film. There is Not a single still frame from this snippet posted in the "JFK Assassination Photo Gallery" either. This is a Lost Snippet from the Darnell Film. This snippet is shot down the Elm St Ext toward the TSBD. It quickly pans (L) toward the Rail Road Yard. It then captures the still frame posted above. It shows this "No Glove Cop" walking toward/by Officer Harkness. This snippet shows the Elm St Ext to NOW be jammed with people. A throng of people now stretch all across and down the Elm St Ext. The Martin Film and the Nat Geo "Manhunt" piece show the Elm St Ext to be clear of people. You could fire a cannon ball down the Elm St Ext on these 2 films and Not hit anyone. This is because these 2 films showing the empty Elm St Ext were filmed Before the Darnell Film still frame above.
- OFFICER HARKNESS WC TESTIMONY -
Officer Harkness - "I had the witness with me. I didn't want to lose the witness".
Attorney Belin - "All right".
Officer Harkness - "So I took him to the car".
Attorney Belin - "To Inspector Sawyer's car?".
Officer Harkness - "To Inspector Sawyer's car which was right in front".
Attorney Belin - "Which was parked in front of the Texas School Book Depository?".
Officer Harkness - "And left the witness there and went around to the back".
The above Darnell still frame shows Officer Harkness AFTER he went "...around to the back" to seal off the building. After Officer Harkness had placed Euins inside Inspector Sawyer's car. This "Lost" Darnell Film snippet showing the jam packed Elm St Ext vs the Martin Film and the Nat Geo snippet showing the Elm St Ext to be empty of people, is indicative of how much time has passed between these images. There is no way the Darnell still frame above was shot prior to 12:35. 12:35 being when Officer Haygood made his DPD Radio Transmission from his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb, close to the Triple Underpass. That "No Glove Cop" in the still frame above is not Officer Haygood.
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