Reasons for Continued Coverup?

[Dan O'meara]

The last comprehensive government investigation into the assassination concluded there was a conspiracy.
It was called the House Select Committee on Assassinations.
Are all the Nutters stuck in the 1960's?

[Royell Storing]

Operation Mongoose was run out of the Kennedy White House. It was pushed by the Kennedys, especially RFK, after the failed Bay of Pigs invasion. This was no "Deep State" rogue operation; it was undertaken on orders of the President. There are entire books written on it; it's been exposed for decades. In any case, I don't know what this has to do with this supposed coverup of the assassination of JFK but it's your call (covert acts ordered by a President against a hostile foreign government during a "Cold War" is not in any way similar to the treasonous murder of your *own* president and then a half century coverup).

Once again: the assassination is the most investigated event/crime in US history. Multiple generations of Americans in government and in the media investigated it directly and indirectly. And multiple generations of Americans have served in the various agencies over the past 60 years such as the CIA, the FBI and the Pentagon. The idea that you could keep the conspiracy quiet after all of this, all of these investigations, all of these men and women going into and out of the government is preposterous.

Finally, I have no idea how pointing to other government conspiracies that we know about is evidence that there was a conspiracy in the assassination that has been covered up. How does pointing out *other* exposed/revealed conspiracies, like Operation Mongoose, show that the JFK conspiracy has been hidden? In fact, it shows the opposite. All of these other revelations show how impossible it would be to suppress a conspiracy in the assassination of JFK. People talk, investigations uncover it, documents are found. That's what happens.

     You miss the point. The issue was whether the GOVT would ever work in concert with the MAFIA. It's obviously been done before.
     If you do Not believe a JFK Assassination Conspiracy could have been kept under wraps for so long, tell me what DPD Motorcycle Cop we are seeing on the Darnell and Martin Films. Without a doubt, that is NOT Officer Haygood. The Haygood documented 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle DQ's his being that cop. I am waiting on you to ID that DPD motorcycle cop.

[Richard Smith]

     You miss the point. The issue was whether the GOVT would ever work in concert with the MAFIA. It's obviously been done before.
     If you do Not believe a JFK Assassination Conspiracy could have been kept under wraps for so long, tell me what DPD Motorcycle Cop we are seeing on the Darnell and Martin Films. Without a doubt, that is NOT Officer Haygood. The Haygood documented 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle DQ's his being that cop. I am waiting on you to ID that DPD motorcycle cop.

Just because the government has done bad things is not evidence that they were involved in a conspiracy to kill JFK.  After six decades there is no credible evidence of such.  Steve's point is a good one.  Many other government conspiracies were quickly exposed including arguably very simple ones like the Watergate break in and cover up.  If the sitting president couldn't cover up Watergate involving a handful of numbskulls, then there is no possibility that an ongoing cover up of complex conspiracy to assassinate JFK continues.  And why would current governmental officials perpetuate any such cover up?  It's laughable.  The cover up claim is just an excuse for those who have been unable to provide credible evidence of the involvement of anyone other than LHO in this crime.  They need a cover up to explain why there is no evidence.

[Royell Storing]

Just because the government has done bad things is not evidence that they were involved in a conspiracy to kill JFK.  After six decades there is no credible evidence of such.  Steve's point is a good one.  Many other government conspiracies were quickly exposed including arguably very simple ones like the Watergate break in and cover up.  If the sitting president couldn't cover up Watergate involving a handful of numbskulls, then there is no possibility that an ongoing cover up of complex conspiracy to assassinate JFK continues.  And why would current governmental officials perpetuate any such cover up?  It's laughable.  The cover up claim is just an excuse for those who have been unable to provide credible evidence of the involvement of anyone other than LHO in this crime.  They need a cover up to explain why there is no evidence.

    Now we are getting into the "News" Media being complicit in a Cover-up.
    And while we are on the subject of a Cover-up, I have recently discovered that the DPD Motorcycle Cop seen Walking across the entire railroad yard and then Down the Elm St Ext toward the TSBD is NOT DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood as has been rubber stamped for the last 60+years. It is a FACT that Officer Haygood made a Documented 12:35 police radio transmission from his motorcycle on the Elm St curb. With 12:30 being the time of the Kill Shot, 5:00 is  is Not enough time for Haygood to have: (1) rode his motorcycle down Elm St, *Darnell/Wiegman films*,  (2) Dump his motorcycle at the Elm St curb, * Couch film* (3) Struggle to stand his motorcycle upright, *Couch Film*, (4) Run UP and ACROSS the grassy knoll, *Bell Film*, (5) Stop and then Stand atop the Triple Underpass, *Cabluck & Cancellare photos*, (6) WALK across the entire train yard, *Darnell and Martin Films*, (7) WALK down the Elm St Ext toward the TSBD, *Darnell and Martin Films* and then make his 12:35 radio transmission. This 12:35 transmission was Documented during the WC questioning of Haygood along with Haygood corroborating having made that same call. It is physically impossible for Haygood to do ALL of the above and be back at his motorcycle to make his 12:35 transmission. Which begs the question as to WHO is that alleged DPD Motorcycle Cop WALKING across the train yard and then making a (R) hand turn and WALKING down the Elm St Ext toward the TSBD. To date, there is NO DPD Cop known to have been inside that train yard less than 5 minutes after the Kill Shot. Plus, exactly Where is this Unknown DPD Cop's Motorcycle?  For something like this to stand Unquestioned and Now Unanswered for 60 yrs is proof of a cover-up. That alleged Unknown DPD Motorcycle Cop is only a small piece of a much, much larger story.     

[Steve M. Galbraith]

     You miss the point. The issue was whether the GOVT would ever work in concert with the MAFIA. It's obviously been done before.
     If you do Not believe a JFK Assassination Conspiracy could have been kept under wraps for so long, tell me what DPD Motorcycle Cop we are seeing on the Darnell and Martin Films. Without a doubt, that is NOT Officer Haygood. The Haygood documented 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle DQ's his being that cop. I am waiting on you to ID that DPD motorcycle cop.

Yes, Royell, I think we all know that governments - not just the US - sometimes work with unsavory people out of perceived national security interest/concerns. In WWII, the FDR Administration worked with the Mob (Lucky Luciano's group) to protect US ports and facilities from Nazi sabotage. Hell, in WWII we worked with the mass murderer Josef Stalin, a person who made the mob look like Boy Scouts, in our interests. And then after WWII we allowed Nazi and Japanese war criminals, including Emperor Hirohito, to go unpunished out of national interest. It's a nasty world out there.

But none of this has anything to do with any coverup of the assassination over the past 60 years. The fact that "the government" did bad things "A" and "B" does not show they did bad thing "C" and "D". This is one of the basic problems with the conspiracy believers; they think exposing things like Operation Northwoods or Mongoose somehow is evidence of a government conspiracy behind the assassination. It simply doesn't.  I can cite the horrible things that Castro did. Executing his opponents, suppressing his people. Would that be evidence he was behind the assassination? Of course not.

What does whether Haygood is on the film or not or the person on the radio have to do with a half century old coverup? You think your points proves that multiple generations of people in the government and outside could cover this up? They all would be silent? Nobody talked? After all of these investigations?

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Just because the government has done bad things is not evidence that they were involved in a conspiracy to kill JFK.  After six decades there is no credible evidence of such.  Steve's point is a good one.  Many other government conspiracies were quickly exposed including arguably very simple ones like the Watergate break in and cover up.  If the sitting president couldn't cover up Watergate involving a handful of numbskulls, then there is no possibility that an ongoing cover up of complex conspiracy to assassinate JFK continues.  And why would current governmental officials perpetuate any such cover up?  It's laughable.  The cover up claim is just an excuse for those who have been unable to provide credible evidence of the involvement of anyone other than LHO in this crime.  They need a cover up to explain why there is no evidence.

If you visit the conspiracy sites you'll quickly see they are filled with posts about such ugly/nasty thing, real or imagined, the government did. Mongoose, Northwoods, MK-Ultra, this or that bad guy that was connected to the CIA or government. It's endless. They seem to think that if they can prove how horrible things were, how such evil people were around, that that is evidence they murdered JFK. And JFK was going to end all of that nastiness but was stopped before he could. They did bad thing "A" and "B" so they did bad thing "C", murdering JFK.

As I said above, I can prove that Castro and his government did bad things too. Execute political dissenters, torture and arrest opponents, support bloody dictators like Mengistu. Is that evidence that he was behind the assassination? Of course not. The conspiracists who say the CIA did it would dismiss it out of hand. Rightly so.

As to coverup claims: It simply can't be done. And pointing to other conspiracies - which were exposed - is contradicting the conspiracy claim that this conspiracy - far more complex and extensive - was somehow the one that was kept secret.

[Royell Storing]

Yes Royell, I think we all know that governments - not just the US - sometimes work with unsavory people out of perceived national security interest/concerns. In WWII the FDR Administration worked with the Mob (Lucky Luciano's group) to protect US ports and facilities from Nazi sabotage. Hell, in WWII we worked with the mass murderer Josef Stalin in our interests. And after WWII we allowed Nazi and Japanese war criminals, including Emperor Hirohito, to go unpunished out of national interest. It's a nasty world out there.

But none of this has anything to do with any coverup of the assassination over the past 60 years. The fact that "the government" did bad things "A" and "B" does not show they did bad thing "C" and "D". This is one of the basic problems with the conspiracy believers; they think exposing things like Operation Northwoods or Mongoose somehow is evidence of a government conspiracy behind the assassination. It simply doesn't.  I can cite the horrible things that Castro did. Executing his opponents, suppressing his people. Would that be evidence he was behind the assassination? Of course not.

What does whether Haygood is on the film or not or the person on the radio have to do with a half century old coverup? You think your points proves that multiple generations of people in the government and outside could cover this up? They all would be silent? Nobody talked? After all of these investigations?

       My revelation regarding this NOT being DPD Motorcycle Haygood screams for an explanation. Is that really a different DPD Motocycle Cop? If this individual is Not a legit DPD Motorcycle Cop, we have a Conspiracy. If he is a real DPD Motorcycle Cop, how did he get deep inside the railroad yard within minutes after the Kill Shot? There were reports of a Motorcycle racing UP the Knoll immediately following the Kill Shot. Could this Cop be connected to that? Or, is he an imposture = Conspiracy? This Unknown DPD Motorcycle Cop is a very serious issue.