Reasons for Continued Coverup?

[Fergus O'Brien]

There never was a conspiracy because the evidence demonstrates beyond doubt that Oswald by his lonesome is the guilty party.  A conspiracy narrative becomes necessary only when the proponent of a theory lacks any credible evidence to support their theory.  For example, UFO believers have to argue that men in black are forever covering up discoveries of aliens to explain why no credible evidence exists to prove their theory that we are visited by green men from Mars.  A government conspiracy is their answer.  Same deal with the JFK assassination.  CTers can't prove the involvement of others.  They blame this on a conspiracy to frame Oswald and cover up the evidence.  An endless cycle in which the inability to prove their theory is due to the cover up.  They go hand in hand.  Some governmental agencies contribute to this cycle of lunacy with their culture of secrecy.  The CIA, FBI, and other government agencies have nothing to gain by being transparent.  They always land on the side of nondisclosure.  Arguably, there may still be informants in organized crime, Cuba, and Russia who were contacted for any information on Oswald and his possible connections to foreign governments or organized crime.   The identity of those informants and their families could place them at risk even decades later.  Nevertheless, you do pose a good question.  Why do the CTers who go on and on and on here claiming they have solid "evidence" or arguments based on the record that cast doubt on Oswald's guilt never present those claims to current day law enforcement or media outlets?  If they really believed that they had evidence in the homicide of the president of the United States, wouldn't they want to make their case to the authorities?  But no.  They forever hide on Internet forums.  That lends a psychological insight that they may not really believe their own nonsense.  They are caught up in some type of compulsion disorder that they can exercise on Internet forums without consequences such as being exposed as a potential mental case.  It can be amusing, however, because they take their "evidence" very seriously and claim it can't be refuted but never accept the offer to reach out to the Dallas Police or other law enforcement agency.  The contrast between their arrogance and insecurity is more interesting than their often idiotic theories.

"There never was a conspiracy because the evidence demonstrates beyond doubt that Oswald by his lonesome is the guilty party"

let us just for a moment say that you are correct . ok . now please explain the following .

the deceptions and lies of the Warren Commission . IE Specter and his SBT starting with an entry wound location on the right side (of the rear ) of JFKs neck that he knew was a lie . he knew it was a lie because BY HIS OWN ADMISSION he admitted seeing atleast one autopsy photo that showed the wound in question several inches below and to the left ON THE BACK .why did they set out to ignore some witnesses for example Tague ? , Bill newman ? , Brehm ? .why did they set out to discredit other witnesses such as Vicky adams ? .

the deceptions and lies of the clark panel . they said that JFKs head entry wound was some 4 to 5 inches HIGHER up than where it was located at autopsy (the said it was in the crown of the head where a man has a bald spot ) , at autopsy the 3 pathologists said the entry wound was near the EOP , just above and to the right of it . this would roughly be at the level of the top of ones ears (depending on the size of ones ears of course) and at the center rear of the head .clark put the entry wound 4 to 5 inches above this position DESPITE the fact that autopsy photos show a wound at the EOP and show NO entry wound 4 to 5 inches higher up .and despite the vehement protestations of humes that there was never any entry wound in the crown area .

the deceptions and lies of the HSCA . they had witnesses including FBI agents , and bethesda witnesses (not called by the commission ) who told them that JFK had a large wound in the right rear of the head which corroborated the parkland witnesses . yet the HSCA report states that ALL these witnesses contradicted the parkland witnesses when we now know from their statements , depositions or testimonies that they did not contradict them at all . so that was a blatant lie .

so if it was simply a lone nut nobody ALL ON HIS HIS OWN , a schmuk who just got lucky , why would the above deceptions and lies be required ? .

[Jim Hawthorn]

I do not believe that LHO was the lone assassin of JFK.  However, I can't understand why anyone in the government present day, would think it was necessary to keep the truth hidden.  Anyone who was in a position of authority from when the plot was executed in 1963, has most likely passed.  I know that the Government wants to keep everyone believing that they would never participate in something like this. Still, in today's age of whistleblowing, I think there would be more benefit to the politicians today to release the facts.  They could say "See, they were bad, we are good."  What are your opinions?

1. The conspiracy involved a very small circle of powerful people and NOT the "government.
2. It isn't clear if Oswald was part of that conspiracy or acting alone by pure coincidence.
3. The government knew that there had been a conspiracy but realised that they had to turn the evidence to point at a lone gunman. They proceeded with the cover up (which had nothing to do with the conspiracy).
4. The government didn't know who the conspirators were.

[Fergus O'Brien]

If you visit the conspiracy sites you'll quickly see they are filled with posts about such ugly/nasty thing, real or imagined, the government did. Mongoose, Northwoods, MK-Ultra, this or that bad guy that was connected to the CIA or government. It's endless. They seem to think that if they can prove how horrible things were, how such evil people were around, that that is evidence they murdered JFK. And JFK was going to end all of that nastiness but was stopped before he could. They did bad thing "A" and "B" so they did bad thing "C", murdering JFK.

As I said above, I can prove that Castro and his government did bad things too. Execute political dissenters, torture and arrest opponents, support bloody dictators like Mengistu. Is that evidence that he was behind the assassination? Of course not. The conspiracists who say the CIA did it would dismiss it out of hand. Rightly so.

As to coverup claims: It simply can't be done. And pointing to other conspiracies - which were exposed - is contradicting the conspiracy claim that this conspiracy - far more complex and extensive - was somehow the one that was kept secret.

the question here is regarding cover up , i believe cover up can be shown to be fact . so then the question must be WHY ? what were the reasons to cover up ? .what didnt they want the people to know ? .

[Fergus O'Brien]

"There never was a conspiracy because the evidence demonstrates beyond doubt that Oswald by his lonesome is the guilty party"

let us just for a moment say that you are correct . ok . now please explain the following .

the deceptions and lies of the Warren Commission . IE Specter and his SBT starting with an entry wound location on the right side (of the rear ) of JFKs neck that he knew was a lie . he knew it was a lie because BY HIS OWN ADMISSION he admitted seeing atleast one autopsy photo that showed the wound in question several inches below and to the left ON THE BACK .why did they set out to ignore some witnesses for example Tague ? , Bill newman ? , Brehm ? .why did they set out to discredit other witnesses such as Vicky adams ? .

the deceptions and lies of the clark panel . they said that JFKs head entry wound was some 4 to 5 inches HIGHER up than where it was located at autopsy (the said it was in the crown of the head where a man has a bald spot ) , at autopsy the 3 pathologists said the entry wound was near the EOP , just above and to the right of it . this would roughly be at the level of the top of ones ears (depending on the size of ones ears of course) and at the center rear of the head .clark put the entry wound 4 to 5 inches above this position DESPITE the fact that autopsy photos show a wound at the EOP and show NO entry wound 4 to 5 inches higher up .and despite the vehement protestations of humes that there was never any entry wound in the crown area .

the deceptions and lies of the HSCA . they had witnesses including FBI agents , and bethesda witnesses (not called by the commission ) who told them that JFK had a large wound in the right rear of the head which corroborated the parkland witnesses . yet the HSCA report states that ALL these witnesses contradicted the parkland witnesses when we now know from their statements , depositions or testimonies that they did not contradict them at all . so that was a blatant lie .

so if it was simply a lone nut nobody ALL ON HIS HIS OWN , a schmuk who just got lucky , why would the above deceptions and lies be required ? .

9 days have passed and not one LN has an answer to the above questions ? . not that i am surprised to see no LN response .

[Royell Storing]

As you know, the conclusion of a probable conspiracy by the HSCA, in the late 70's was based on the now-totally debunked acoustical evidence, where a group of scientists proclaimed "to a 95% possibility, there were a shot from the Grassy Knoll." Our very own in-house Steve Barber was the first individual to point out the flaws of the acoustical evidence. So, therefore with the acoustical evidence being emphatically invalid the conclusion is irrefutabley "no conspiracy."

    Knott Labs Laser 360 SCIENCE proving that the SBT "IS IMPOSSIBLE" + My Proving that there was an Unknown DPD Motorcycle Officer WALKING across the train yard and then WALKING down the Elm St Ext toward the TSBD, (Darnell & Martin Films), = PROVEN CONSPIRACY! Why do you think it has gotten so Quiet around here? It took 60+ years, but the Lone Nut stuff has Now been exposed as Pure Bunk. The Old Guard JFK Assassination Research Community should be ashamed of themselves for Not exposing this Cover-up a long, long, time ago. 

[Royell Storing]

  We plan to post our Victory Lap tomorrow. All anyone ever had to do was seriously look at the Haygood WC Testimony. At no point during his WC Testimony does Haygood Ever mention a caboose, train car, box car, our anything connected to an actual train. The photos and film footage supply a boat load of Supporting Evidence proving a Conspiracy! Slam Dunk! The JFK Research Community for 60+ years has been more concerned with selling books and canoodling with their Assassination Chums vs actually doing some serious research. 

[Zeon Mason]

The CIA did not wish to be held accountable for their  operatives that they sent into Cuba for the BOP operation, going rogue. Some of those BOP operatives probably escaped  and got back to Miami Fl , hooked up with a really angry mafia boss, and 2 of them possibly hired by John Martino ( per deathbed confession to his wife)

Now Martino could be fabricating this story on his deathbed for some other reason, or his wife made the story up, but it’s interesting coincidence with the story of Loran Hall, a CIA asset who testified he actually had been approached and offered the job but he turned it down!?