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How did Oswald get the job at the TSBD
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: Ray Mitcham on March 11, 2018, 05:39:18 PM ---
We can't prove that he was put there by anybody. That's the problem. However the convenience of his being employed there, so close to the assassination, sounds the warning bells, in my mind. Just because we can't prove who and why he was put there, doesn't mean there wasn't a conspiracy.
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Ray, he may not even have been put there on purpose.
Who said that a conspiracy already had a solid and completely worked out plan in mind, months, or even weeks, prior to the assassination? Yet, that's what LNs seem to imply. If there was a conspiracy, there may well have been some sort of master plan in place, known to only a few people and able to be put into action at short notice based upon the actual circumstances at the time.
There are those who believe there had already been two previous attempts to execute the plan, in Miami and Chicago, which both failed. Perhaps it was just a case of third time lucky with all the variables falling into place in Dallas.
Wesley Johnson:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on March 11, 2018, 07:46:19 PM ---Ray, he may not even have been put there on purpose.
Who said that a conspiracy already had a solid and completely worked out plan in mind, months, or even weeks, prior to the assassination? Yet, that's what LNs seem to imply. If there was a conspiracy, there may well have been some sort of master plan in place, known to only a few people and able to be put into action at short notice based upon the actual circumstances at the time.
There are those who believe there had already been two previous attempts to execute the plan, in Miami and Chicago, which both failed. Perhaps it was just a case of third time lucky with all the variables falling into place in Dallas.
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Hello Martin.
"there may well have been some sort of master plan in place, known to only a few people and able to be put into action at short notice based upon the actual circumstances at the time."
Right!! I believe that! ::)
And what you are implying is that these people with this "master plan" in a matter of days were able to put this elaborate plan to frame Oswald in play? LOL In all of the years since the president's assassination there is not one shred of evidence to indicate there were any "mysterious" people hanging around manipulating Oswald or any one else. And that's what it would have took. Boots on the ground. No evidence of that. Zero.
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: Wesley Johnson on March 11, 2018, 08:07:32 PM ---
Hello Martin.
"there may well have been some sort of master plan in place, known to only a few people and able to be put into action at short notice based upon the actual circumstances at the time."
Right!! I believe that! ::)
And what you are implying is that these people with this "master plan" in a matter of days were able to put this elaborate plan to frame Oswald in play? LOL In all of the years since the president's assassination there is not one shred of evidence to indicate there were any "mysterious" people hanging around manipulating Oswald or any one else. And that's what it would have took. Boots on the ground. No evidence of that. Zero.
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Right!! I believe that! ::)
I am not really interested in what you believe or not.
And what you are implying is that these people with this "master plan" in a matter of days were able to put this elaborate plan to frame Oswald in play?
I am not implying anything. I started by comment by saying "If there was a conspiracy" but, dishonest as you seem to be, you left that out of the quote. Why?
What makes you even think, if there was a conspiracy, it was an elaborate plan to frame Oswald in particular or that it was the only option in play at any given time? I get the impression you do not play chess very well.
In all of the years since the president's assassination there is not one shred of evidence to indicate there were any "mysterious" people hanging around manipulating Oswald or any one else.
So what? That's just your opinion and it could just mean that you are not paying attention very well or that you are so bias that you dismiss everything you don't like out of hand. It tells me nothing. When would somebody even qualify as "mysterious" in your mind?
And that's what it would have took. Boots on the ground. No evidence of that. Zero.
Opinions, opinions and opinions... you seem to have a lot of them, but hey, whatever works for you, right?
Wesley Johnson:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on March 11, 2018, 08:30:40 PM ---Right!! I believe that! ::)
I am not really interested in what you believe or not.
And what you are implying is that these people with this "master plan" in a matter of days were able to put this elaborate plan to frame Oswald in play?
I am not implying anything. I started by comment by saying "If there was a conspiracy" but, dishonest as you seem to be, you left that out of the quote. Why?
What makes you even think, if there was a conspiracy, it was an elaborate plan to frame Oswald in particular or that it was the only option in play at any given time? I get the impression you do not play chess very well.
In all of the years since the president's assassination there is not one shred of evidence to indicate there were any "mysterious" people hanging around manipulating Oswald or any one else.
So what? That's just your opinion and it could just mean that you are not paying attention very well or that you are so bias that you dismiss everything you don't like out of hand. It tells me nothing. When would somebody even qualify as "mysterious" in your mind?
And that's what it would have took. Boots on the ground. No evidence of that. Zero.
Opinions, opinions and opinions... you seem to have a lot of them, but hey, whatever works for you, right?
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Martin, you seem to be a little bit agitated. You can get through it. Actually I play a real good game of chess. I'll play you any time you like. I'm sure we could figure out how to get that done. You really need to stop being in denial and except that you are a CT buff.
Joe Elliott:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on March 11, 2018, 07:46:19 PM ---
Ray, he may not even have been put there on purpose.
Who said that a conspiracy already had a solid and completely worked out plan in mind, months, or even weeks, prior to the assassination? Yet, that's what LNs seem to imply. If there was a conspiracy, there may well have been some sort of master plan in place, known to only a few people and able to be put into action at short notice based upon the actual circumstances at the time.
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No, it?s not LNers who imply this. It is what most CTers say. It is CTers who say that Oswald was working for the CIA:
** While in the Marines, working with radar.
** When he went to the Soviet Union.
** When he passed out pro Castro leaflets in New Orleans in the summer of 1963.
I?m not saying a conspiracy theory is impossible. I?m just saying a conspiracy theory that had Oswald as part of the plan before October 1963 makes no sense. It?s not my fault that CTers postulate a conspiracy that falls apart when the question of how Oswald got his job.
Essentially, what CTers want, is to point out things that they say indicates that Oswald was working for the CIA for a long time. But then, when it is pointed out the problems this causes them, to suggest that maybe he wasn?t. CTers want their cake and to eat it to. They want to argue that Oswald basically was working for the CIA while suggesting he wasn?t to side step problems with logic that this causes them. And then go back to believing he was working for the CIA all along.
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on March 11, 2018, 07:46:19 PM ---
There are those who believe there had already been two previous attempts to execute the plan, in Miami and Chicago, which both failed. Perhaps it was just a case of third time lucky with all the variables falling into place in Dallas.
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Plans based on hoping to find and identify someone who works along a motorcade route who:
** Works in an old, mostly empty building, on the edge of town, where there likely would be floor with no people.
** With an employee who has military training with a rifle.
** With the same employee having lived in the Soviet Union
** With the same employee recently passing out Pro Communist leaflets.
Are prone to failure. It would not be surprising such a plot would fail in Miami or Chicago or one hundred straight times. Real world plots don?t work like this.
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