How did Oswald get the job at the TSBD

[Martin Weidmann]

Weak response Martin. The question for you is, "do you dispute how Oswald got the job at the TSBD?" Do you understand the importance of that? That was a powerful response by Richard and now I know who he is. And I know why you guys say the things you do about him. You are weak and the CTers have no evidence at all. I don't know what you do for a living but it better not involve having some common sense, logic or critical thinking. Most of the CTers have zero deductive reasoning skills. The shear magnitude of what it would take to set-up a conspiracy, as you and the CTers claim, is unsustainable. It all falls apart after a minutes scrutiny. I would love to have Oswald in the hot seat at court. At the end of it, I would pin the bag, the rifle, the revolver, the bullet, the fragments, the shell casings, the documents, proving Oswald's ownership of the weapons, and the eye witness testimonies, right to little old Oswaldovich's head. And after the defense, blew all the smoke and put up all the mirrors, the jury would see that they had zero, physical, or ballistic evidence to support their defense. It is hilarious.

Oh great... another misguided "king of assumption and speculation" who thinks he knows what would have happened at a trial that will never take place and now he starts to do John "powerful evidence" Mytton imitations as well. Great stuff....

Weak response Martin.

You know what's really weak?.... Not having a response to a comment you call weak.

The shear magnitude of what it would take to set-up a conspiracy, as you and the CTers claim, is unsustainable.

What conspiracy do I claim? Pray tell....

[Gary Craig]

"JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE
Why He Died And Why It Matters"
By James W. Douglas
p.177

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"On October 9, 1963, one week before Lee Harvey Oswald began his job at a site overlooking the president's future parade route,an FBI official in Washington, D.C., disconnected Oswald from a federal alarm system that was about to identify him as a threat to national security. The FBI man's name was Marvin Gheesling. He was a supervisor in the Soviet espionage section at FBI headquarters. His timing was remarkable. As author John Newman remarked in an analysis of this phenomenon, Gheesling "turned off the alarm switch on Oswald literally an instant before it would have gone off."

-snip-

[Wesley Johnson]

Oh great... another misguided "king of assumption and speculation" who thinks he knows what would have happened at a trial that will never take place and now he starts to do John "powerful evidence" Mytton imitations as well. Great stuff....

Weak response Martin.

You know what's really weak?.... Not having a response to a comment you call weak.

The shear magnitude of what it would take to set-up a conspiracy, as you and the CTers claim, is unsustainable.

What conspiracy do I claim? Pray tell....

Martin, you just keep telling yourself you don't believe in a conspiracy. Do you ever question the information (can't call it evidence) from any of the dozens of conspiracy theories? I'm just curious. And by the way you ducked the question again. How did Oswald get the job at the TSBD? If you disagree with how I said he did get the job, then say so. And then tell me how you say he got the job. If you agree with how I say he got the job, then you have a long way to go to explain how this conspiracy plan that you mentioned in an earlier post take place? 

[Wesley Johnson]

Martin, you seem to be a little bit agitated. You can get through it.

Funny... The truth is I just don't like guys much who think they know it all.

Actually I play a real good game of chess.

So far, there hasn't been much evidence of it on this board. You seem to plan ahead no more than one reply (which you likely have already prepared) when you ask a (mostly loaded) question. Considering options doesn't seem to be your forte.

But, then again, overestimation isn't uncommon amongst LNs...

You really need to stop being in denial and except that you are a CT buff.

Do you need this kind of crap to boost your ego?

My mistake Martin. You are correct. You didn't say "open ended questions" you said loaded questions. How are my questions loaded? They are very logical questions to ask. Explain to me how asking how he got the job at the TSBD is loaded? Now when you said it could have been a "master plan" in place that had failed in Chicago and Miami, could you explain that. Did you mean a few days before he went to Texas?

[Martin Weidmann]

Martin, you just keep telling yourself you don't believe in a conspiracy. Do you ever question the information (can't call it evidence) from any of the dozens of conspiracy theories? I'm just curious. And by the way you ducked the question again. How did Oswald get the job at the TSBD? If you disagree with how I said he did get the job, then say so. And then tell me how you say he got the job. If you agree with how I say he got the job, then you have a long way to go to explain how this conspiracy plan that you mentioned in an earlier post take place?

Martin, you just keep telling yourself you don't believe in a conspiracy.

I don't need to, for one simple reason; I do in fact believe a conspiracy could have occurred, but I also consider it possible that Oswald did indeed do it alone. My problem is with the weak, predominantly circumstantial, case against him. The weaker that case is, the more likely becomes a cover up (to wrap the case around Oswald regardless of his guilt or innocence) or the possibility of a conspiracy.

Do you ever question the information (can't call it evidence) from any of the dozens of conspiracy theories?

I have in fact dismissed the majority of conspiracy theories as being too wacky or not credible. And for your information; everything that's used in support of a claim is in fact evidence, regardless if you want to call it that or not. Just not all of it is actually proof.

And by the way you ducked the question again. How did Oswald get the job at the TSBD? If you disagree with how I said he did get the job, then say so. And then tell me how you say he got the job.

Unlike you, I find it completely insignificant how Oswald got his job, but if it makes you happy, I think it's unlikely it was arranged by any third party.

If you agree with how I say he got the job, then you have a long way to go to explain how this conspiracy plan that you mentioned in an earlier post take place?

I have nothing of the kind to explain to you. My basic premise is that if there was indeed a conspiracy, it would have been executed in a way that stayed as close to the truth as possible and was adapted to the actual situation.

Btw what conspiracy plan did I mention in an earlier post?

[Bill Chapman]

Never mind that she did not confirm Oswald owned a rifle in her DPD affidavit and did not recognize the rifle when it was shown to her, right?

Shall we just overlook that as well, Richard?

Never mind that Marina testified that she doesn't know one rifle from another in the first place. Never mind that an affidavit is not a Q&A. Never mind that Marina confirmed that the rifle in the blanket she knew to be theirs was missing on 11.22.63

[Wesley Johnson]

Ray, he may not even have been put there on purpose.

Who said that a conspiracy already had a solid and completely worked out plan in mind, months, or even weeks, prior to the assassination? Yet, that's what LNs seem to imply. If there was a conspiracy, there may well have been some sort of master plan in place, known to only a few people and able to be put into action at short notice based upon the actual circumstances at the time.

There are those who believe there had already been two previous attempts to execute the plan, in Miami and Chicago, which both failed. Perhaps it was just a case of third time lucky with all the variables falling into place in Dallas.

" If there was a conspiracy, there may well have been some sort of master plan in place"

"master plan"?

Okay, Martin I won't accuse you of being a CTer anymore. If Oswald was not placed in employment at the TSBD by a conspirator, conspirators, government agency, or madmen, then they would have had a huge problem of including LHO in their "master plan". And I don't see why you are claiming the evidence against Oswald is weak.
"Unlike you, I find it completely insignificant how Oswald got his job, but if it makes you happy, I don't think it was arranged by conspirators."

By you saying that it takes a lot for a conspiracy to be involved. President Kennedy is the one that decided to go to Dallas against the advice of Vice President Johnson and Governor Connally. That alone kind of kills the "LBJ did it" theory. Logistically Martin it is just not believable. Let's take a look:
1. The master plan would have had to know about Oswald in the first place.
2. They would have had to know he bought a rifle.
3. They would have had to know he owned a revolver.
4. They would have had to know he was going to work that day. What if he called in sick?
5. They would have had to know where he lived and where his wife lived and that he went to see her there.
6. They would have had to know he was going to Ruth's on Thursday instead of Friday. They would have had to steal Oswald's rifle. 
7. They would have had to know he kept his rifle at Ruth Paine's house in the garage. (I know CTers like to claim the rifle wasn't linked to him but it was Martin).
8. They would have had to sneak someone into the TSBD that day to fire from the 6th floor window. (do you dispute that there were shots fired from that window?) No one at the TSBD reported any strange men in the building that day.
I could add some more. Now let's look at the "why questions" that concern logic and deductive reasoning.
1. Why did Lee go to Ruth Paine's on Thursday?
2. Why did he tell Frazier he had curtain rods in the package he had with him?
3. Why did he tell Capt. Fritz that he had lunch on the first floor? (circumstantial evidence as you call it) indicates he lied.
4. Why did he tell Capt. Fritz he had his lunch in the bag when he told Frazier it was curtain rods?
5. Why was he the only employee that left the TSBD that day. Cters claim he wasn't the only to leave. Maybe so, but they came back, Oswald didn't.
6. Logically speaking why would someone after being close to such a historical event, as the assassination of a president, right in front of were they worked, go home get his revolver and then go to a movie? You can't sell that one.
7. Why did these conspirators kill JD Tippit? They could not have known that Oswald would even leave the building!! No one will ever make me believe that one.
8. Why did the conspirators let Oswald roam around the TSBD where he could be seen which would kill their plan dead? Very funny.
9. Why did said conspirators let Oswald leave in the first place where he fell into police hands for two days of questioning? Now they have to have Ruby ready to go.
10. The conspirators could not have known what wounds would have been on the president's body to have some team ready to go to kidnap the president's body so they could alter it.
11. How did the conspirators know that the autopsy was not going to be done at Parkland by Dr. Rose?
12 How did the conspirators know that the autopsy was not going to be done at Walter Reed instead of at Bethesda? Mrs. Kennedy was the one who wanted that. That means two teams of Dr.'s ready and willing to implicate themselves in the murder of JFK. And why were Humes, Boswell, and Finck left alive???

Martin I could go on but I'm sure you see the point. All of these things require men on the ground plotting and manipulating everything. It would have taken a small army to get it done. And all of them would have had to keep their mouths shut. And these conspirators would have had to do this all unseen by anyone in Dallas. It is ridiculous to even ponder.