The Shifting Single-Bullet Theory--It Always "Works" No Matter What

[Jack Nessan]

But he said he turned BEFORE he felt the impact of the shot in the back and that he turned AFTER hearing the first shot.  If he was hit by the first shot and heard it, he would have felt the impact before he heard it.Newman said in his statement to the FBI on 24Nov63 that there were two shots in rapid succession followed by a third that hit the President in the head. But in his second interview with Jay Watson on 22Nov63 he did say that he heard only two shots.  So the best we can say is that Newman was not sure.  However, Watson and Jerry Haines who was with Watson in DP recalled and described three shots.
 Well, at best you can say he was not sure.  Otherwise, he would not have said this in 1966 :

• "Between the time I heard the first shot and felt the impact of the other bullet that obviously hit me, I sensed something was wrong, and said, ‘Oh no, no, no.’ After I felt the impact I glanced down and saw that my whole chest was covered with blood.”

And how about that statement:

• "My recollection of that time gap, the distinct separation between the shot that hit the President and the impact of the one that hit me, is as clear today as it was then.”

Your whole theory is based on JBC saying "oh, no, no, no" because he was hit. He never said that and actually said that he did not say "oh, no, no, no" because he was hit. He said it because the thought the President had been hit.  If he was sure he said it because he was hit, he would have had no confusion as to when it occurred in relation to when he was hit, would it?
 They were:

Kenneth O'Donnell (3 shots) 7 H 448 [18May64]
Nellie Connally (3 shots) 4 H 149 [21Apr64]
Cecil Ault (3 shots) 24 H 534 [9Jan64]
Gayle Newman (3 shots) 22 H 842 [24Nov63]
William Newman (2 or 3 shots) 22 H 842 [24Nov63]
Steven Wilson (3 shots) 22 H 685 [25Mar64]

What do all these statements have in common?  They either had to be asked if they recalled the spacing of the shots or they did not volunteer the shot spacing in earlier statements.  With the exception of the Newmans, they were all taken months after the events.

By contrast, most of the witnesses who recalled the last two being closer together, volunteered that information without prompting and in their first statement.
No second gunman is needed.  Everything points to Oswald and there is certainly no evidence of anyone involved other than Oswald.
You still haven't provided a cite for that source.

JBC’s Hospital Interview. “Almost simultaneously as I turned, I was hit.”

There seems to be confusion. Let us read it again “Almost simultaneously as I turned, I was hit.” 

This is from JBC’s hospital bed and is his very first recollection of the shooting. There is not a second way to interpret what he said happened. He heard the shot and immediately he knew he was hit as he turned. Then he starts crying out. Just like he said he did. Just like Jackie stated he did.

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JBC stated he cried out Oh No No No after he was hit, Nellie stated it was after the first shot and before the second shot. Jackie stated that he said it after the first shot. Jackie three different times stated there was only two shots. Gov Connally stated he only heard two shots and was struck immediately upon turning. I guess you can pretend all you like but the information pretty much speaks for itself.

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Watson is holding in his hand Walter Cronkite’s news flash from Merriman Smith. What do you think Watson was going to say? Watson keeps trying to coach Bill Newman but Bill Newman reiterates for a second time to him that he does not know about a third shot. What kind of a news reporter does that? Does everything in his power to influence the witnesses statement.

Before Gayle gives her statement she can be seen reading the news flash. Jay Watson along with Merriman Smith are responsible for influencing the witnesses into “inflating the number of shots”

Do you think the WC and the HSCA were kidding when they stated the “Media influenced the witnesses into inflating the number of shots”. Can you really claim you have studied these witness statements and then keep on posting this crap that you do? You put up a bunch of witnesses whose statement point to a second shooter due to the cycle time of the carcano. The cycle time of the carcano was 2.3 seconds. The first shot at Z214+ and JBC visually reacting at Z224 or less. How in any way does that resemble this shot pattern you have been pushing all these years.

This has to be the most scatter gun approach to analyzing the assassination. Taking witness statements and pretending the differing statements somehow promote what this theory just by pretending to explain away the obvious contradictions between the statements.

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This list and its importance is known only to you. These are two shot witnesses

Kenny O’Donnell -2 shot-Speaker of the House Tip O’Neill related in his book  (Man of The House page 187) that  Kenny  O’Donnell having dinner with Tip O’Neill told him that he only heard two shots from the grassy knoll. O’Donnell said that after the assassination’ he told the FBI what he heard, but they told him it could not of happened that way and he must be imagining things. Dave Powers was at the same dinner and did not disagree with him. 

Steve Wilson-2 shot- It is my opinion there was a greater space of time between the second and third shots than between the first and second. How in any way is he being considered a witness like Nellie about shot spacing?

Cecil Ault -2 shots-After the Presidential car had turned the corner onto Elm Street, Mr. Ault heard three loud reports which Mr. Ault immediately recognized as shots from a high-powered rifle. He noted that the first and second shots sounded to him to be close together and the third shot was spaced more after the second shot, the first two shots sounding close enough to be from an automatic rifle. Mr. Ault could not tell from what direction the rifle shots came. Following the first shot Mr. Ault noted that President Kennedy appeared to raise up in his seat in the Presidential automobile and after the second shot the President slumped into his seat.

After all the blabber in Ault's statement he identifies there was only two shots.

Gayle Newman -2 shots -the 50th Anniversary interview. “I did not hear the third shot.” How in any way is she being considered a witness like Nellie about shot spacing?

Bill Newman, -2 shots-“ I don’t know about a third shot” not once but twice in the same interview. Why is he even listed here.

Nellie; -2 shots-Parkland Hospital Press Conference 11/22. Read said Nellie thought the first shot hit the president and the second shot hit her husband. Read said that Nellie “does not know about a third shot”.

 

 

[Andrew Mason]

JBC’s Hospital Interview. “Almost simultaneously as I turned, I was hit.”

There seems to be confusion. Let us read it again “Almost simultaneously as I turned, I was hit.” 

The point you seem to be missing is the time it takes to process the sound and decide to turn.  Did the bullet just stop between JFK and JBC and wait for him to turn around?

This is from JBC’s hospital bed and is his very first recollection of the shooting. There is not a second way to interpret what he said happened. He heard the shot and immediately he knew he was hit as he turned. Then he starts crying out. Just like he said he did. Just like Jackie stated he did.

He always said he tried to see JFK and decided to turn to his left before he was hit.  So "almost simultaneously as I turned" just refers to a very short, but perceptible, period of time after he turned. Bottom line: he heard the shot before he felt the impact. That necessarily requires two shots.

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JBC stated he cried out Oh No No No after he was hit, Nellie stated it was after the first shot and before the second shot.

JBC twice said he uttered "oh, no, no, no" before the second shot. He said it in the Life article 25Nov66 p. 48 and he said it to the HSCA (1 HSCA 43).  The HSCA testimony shows that he wasn't sure:

• "When I was hit, or shortly before I was hit-no, I guess it was after I was hit- I said first, just almost in despair, I said, "no, no, no," just thinking how tragic it was that we had gone through this 24 hours, it had all been so wonderful and so beautifully executed."

Jackie stated that he said it after the first shot. Jackie three different times stated there was only two shots. Gov Connally stated he only heard two shots and was struck immediately upon turning. I guess you can pretend all you like but the information pretty much speaks for itself.

I guess you can pretend all you like that Jackie never contradicted herself and was not very confused. She said she first remembered that there were three shots.

Can you really claim you have studied these witness statements and then keep on posting this crap that you do? You put up a bunch of witnesses whose statement point to a second shooter due to the cycle time of the carcano. The cycle time of the carcano was 2.3 seconds. The first shot at Z214+ and JBC visually reacting at Z224 or less. How in any way does that resemble this shot pattern you have been pushing all these years.

The evidence is that the first shot was after z186 and before z202. The evidence is also that the last two were closer together but still about a couple of seconds apart.  The movement of JBC together with the flip of JFK's hair that Hickey observed after he turned forward, puts the second shot at z271-272, just before Greer's turn to the rear at about z280 which he said he did almost simultaneously with the second shot.  That is sufficient time for Oswald to have fired three shots (reload, aim and fire twice).

This has to be the most scatter gun approach to analyzing the assassination. Taking witness statements and pretending the differing statements somehow promote what this theory just by pretending to explain away the obvious contradictions between the statements.

Witnesses are generally reliable in recalling details of high salience, but they are still only about 90-95% accurate. There will often be a few outliers (e.g. Jean Newman who said she saw a dog in the back seat of the limo, and A.C. Millican who reported hearing 8 shots over 5 minutes). But when a high percentage of witnesses independently recall a detail, they are very reliable.  The key is "independent".  The shot pattern was not mentioned in the media before the statements recalling the 1...........2....3 pattern were taken.  It is difficult to conceive of how all of the 47 witnesses who recalled that pattern were not independent.

This list and its importance is known only to you. These are two shot witnesses

I was going by what they said, not your interpretation that they really meant they heard only two.

Steve Wilson-2 shot- It is my opinion there was a greater space of time between the second and third shots than between the first and second. How in any way is he being considered a witness like Nellie about shot spacing?

Because he recalled 1..2.......3

Gayle Newman -2 shots -the 50th Anniversary interview. “I did not hear the third shot.” How in any way is she being considered a witness like Nellie about shot spacing?

Bill Newman, -2 shots-“ I don’t know about a third shot” not once but twice in the same interview. Why is he even listed here.

Because they both said this in their 24Nov63 statements.

Nellie; -2 shots-Parkland Hospital Press Conference 11/22. Read said Nellie thought the first shot hit the president and the second shot hit her husband. Read said that Nellie “does not know about a third shot”.

We are still waiting for the cite for that source.

[Zeon Mason]

If  2 shooters were firing with loud sounding rifles at Z210-Z224, such that one hit JFK and the other hit JC to produce what appears to be the simultaneous reaction of 2men hit by one  bullet, then those 2 shots would be only about 0.5 sec apart.

Then there would be the 4.8 sec of time passing before the Z313 shot occurs.

That would be a pattern of 1.2…….3 which is distinctly opposite of the 1…..2..3 pattern that majority of witness describe.

If one of the shooters had silenced rifle of .223 for example, then there would be just 2 loud shots which would be spaced 4.8 sec apart.

That’s 1…….2.   which is certainly contrary to the 1…..2..3  pattern that majority of witness heard.

what other explanation there is for JCs sudden shoulder turn and he moving forward after Z224?

Can you really plausibly entertain that JC is simply reacting to having heard a shot that hit JFK at Z195-200 by “ducking” himself forward ,ie “taking cover” at Z225 , only to then be hit somewhat later around Z285 or so?

[Andrew Mason]

The Single Bullet Fact - Enhanced version

It is only a fact if it fits the evidence. It conflicts with an awful lot of evidence. All I am saying is that there is a much simpler explanation for the shots that does fit the evidence without the need to make up a phantom missed shot.  And it fits perfectly not only with the 1.......2...3 shot pattern, the first shot hitting JFK as dozens said it did, but also with Oswald firing all three shots.

[Andrew Mason]

If  2 shooters were firing with loud sounding rifles at Z210-Z224, such that one hit JFK and the other hit JC to produce what appears to be the simultaneous reaction of 2men hit by one  bullet, then those 2 shots would be only about 0.5 sec apart.

Then there would be the 4.8 sec of time passing before the Z313 shot occurs.

That would be a pattern of 1.2…….3 which is distinctly opposite of the 1…..2..3 pattern that majority of witness describe.

If one of the shooters had silenced rifle of .223 for example, then there would be just 2 loud shots which would be spaced 4.8 sec apart.

That’s 1…….2.   which is certainly contrary to the 1…..2..3  pattern that majority of witness heard.

what other explanation there is for JCs sudden shoulder turn and he moving forward after Z224?

JBC said he turned to his right after hearing the first shot, recognizing it as a rifle shot and fearing that the President was being assassinated. To do that, he has to lean forward and lift his right arm a bit, which he does.  That is not just another explanation.  It is what JBC said he did after the first shot and before he was hit in the back.

Can you really plausibly entertain that JC is simply reacting to having heard a shot that hit JFK at Z195-200 by “ducking” himself forward ,ie “taking cover” at Z225 , only to then be hit somewhat later around Z285 or so?

A bit earlier than z285.  SA Greer said he turned around immediately after the second shot and he is already turned around at z285.  JBC starts sailing forward at z271-272 to z278 or so, just before Nellie grabs him and pulls him down.  SA George Hickey said that the hair on the right side of JFK's head flew up at the moment of the second shot. We can see that occurring at z273-276.  No one else's hair moves at that time. Also there appears to be movement of the left sun visor between z271 and z272.  So I would put the second shot at z271-272, which, incidentally, is 2.3 seconds before the third shot.  Shots at z195, z271 and z313 are separated by 76 frames and 42 frames, respectively.  That is almost a 2:1 ratio that several people estimated (Yarborough and Jackson, for example).

[Andrew Mason]

Greer appears to turn his head beginning in the Z240s. Sorry that doesn't do much for your trying to tie him into your s--t-for-brains second shot at Z271-72.

Tell us how you can see Greer's head turn from z240.  We can see his chest but not his head.  And his chest does not turn.

Besides, Greer said that when he turned he saw JBC falling onto his wife.  That does not occur until about z280:

So you are not only imagining something we cannot see, you are rejecting Greer's statements about what he saw when he turned without any reason to do so.  Besides, we can see that he is turned at z286.  How long do you think he stayed turned around while driving the car?

Connally doesn't "sail forward" because your Pet Theory has him struck in the back. He falls backwards towards his wife. Nellie doesn't "grab" the Governor and pull him towards her. LOL.

Do you see anything happen at z271-272 that prompts what you say is a backward fall?  Like a muscle movement or something in his body indicating that he is deciding to fall back?

Kennedy's hair doesn't fly up. A small lock falls downward and briefly flutters because Kennedy's head is tilted downward. Where that lock is can't be seen by Hickey. I have "Hickey" standing but the Altgens Photo shows he wasn't as high as that.

His hair does not lift?  You have to stop drinking before 5 pm Jerry:

That visor moves all through the film, because it's a little loose and the wind is moving it. Not because a bullet fragment struck it. Holy cow.

The film analysis alone does not prove that the second shot occurred around there. The rest of the evidence does that, particularly the consistent evidence that the first shot struck JFK and was after z186 and before z202 and the shot pattern evidence of the 1..........2.....3 spacing.  The film analysis just allows us to pinpoint the frames when it occurred.

[Jack Nessan]

Tell us how you can see Greer's head turn from z240.  We can see his chest but not his head.  And his chest does not turn.

Besides, Greer said that when he turned he saw JBC falling onto his wife.  That does not occur until about z280:

So you are not only imagining something we cannot see, you are rejecting Greer's statements about what he saw when he turned without any reason to do so.  Besides, we can see that he is turned at z286.  How long do you think he stayed turned around while driving the car?
Do you see anything happen at z271-272 that prompts what you say is a backward fall?  Like a muscle movement or something in his body indicating that he is deciding to fall back?

His hair does not lift?  You have to stop drinking before 5 pm Jerry:


The film analysis alone does not prove that the second shot occurred around there. The rest of the evidence does that, particularly the consistent evidence that the first shot struck JFK and was after z186 and before z202 and the shot pattern evidence of the 1..........2.....3 spacing.  The film analysis just allows us to pinpoint the frames when it occurred.

 At Z238 Greers head is turned. Greer is also two-shot witness.
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SA Hickey 11/22

“I heard what appeared to be two shots and it seemed as if the right side of his head was hit and his hair flew forward.”

The impact of the bullet is what caused his head to fly forward.

Only in cartoons does the hair move because a bullet passes by.
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The first shot struck JFK after z207 at the earliest as has been repeatedly explained by the witnesses standing on the street. There is no such thing as shot pattern evidence or are all the various shot patterns evidence?