Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview

[Fergus O'Brien]

Oswald CAME DOWN TO SEE A COMMOTION ? he did ? . he came down from where to where to see this commotion ? please tell me i would like to know . are you also talking about what Harry holmes wrote BADLY in his notes ? . if so you are telling me what Holmes wrote not what Oswald provably said he did .

You knew “commotion” was from Harry Holmes, why the act, what is the confusion about? The part where he came downstairs seems to upset you. It must be because the third and fourth floors are offices. The fifth floor was where Bonnie Ray Williams, James Jarmin, and Harold Norman were at. The sixth floor is where he left his rifle and finger prints on boxes, bags, and rifles. I bet it is the 6th floor evidence that is upsetting.

 
i wont even reply to your idiocy re west and jfk,

 We must think alike, idiocy is exactly what I thought when I read your comparison of West to LHO. There was no relevance at all.

 
 exactly what DO YOU SAY i made up ? . i was very clear i spoke from memory in parts in the comment you quoted , but i also posted testimony . so what EXACTLY do you claim i made up ? DO TELL .

F Obrien--“In the notes holmes has Oswald saying he was still on the 6th floor at the time of the shots ,”

Holmes never made any statement as to Oswald's exact location let alone the 6th floor. You said he was on the 6th floor Holmes did not.

Where in Holmes statement does he state LHO stated he was on the 6th floor.

Mr. BELIN. Now, Mr. Holmes, I wonder if you could try and think if there is anything else that you remember Oswald saying about where he was during the period prior or shortly prior to, and then at the time of the assassination?
Mr. HOLMES. Nothing more than I have already said. If you want me to repeat that?
Mr. BELIN. Go ahead and repeat it.
Mr. HOLMES. See if I say it the same way?
BELIN. Yes.
Mr. HOLMES. He said when lunchtime came he was working in one of the upper floors with a Negro.
The Negro said, "Come on and let's eat lunch together."
Apparently both of them having a sack lunch. And he said, "You go ahead, send the elevator back up to me and I will come down just as soon as I am finished."
And he didn't say what he was doing. There was a commotion outside, which he later rushed downstairs to go out to see what was going on. He didn't say whether he took the stairs down. He didn't say whether he took the elevator down.
But he went downstairs, and as he went out the front, it seems as though he did have a coke with him, or he stopped at the coke machine, or somebody else was trying to get a coke, but there was a coke involved.
He mentioned something about a coke. But a police officer asked him who he was, and just as he started to identify himself, his superintendent came up and said, "He is one of our men." And the policeman said, "Well, you step aside for a little bit."
Then another man rushed in past him as he started out the door, in this vestibule part of it, and flashed some kind of credential and he said, "Where is your telephone, where is your telephone, and said I am so and so, where is your telephone."
And he said, "I didn't look at the credential. I don't know who he said he was, and I just pointed to the phone and said, 'there it is,' and went on out the door."
Mr. BELIN. Anything else?

A Marine that doesn't know what the sound of gunfire is like. Great alibi.

what part of NOTES confused you ? , i said NOTES as in interrogation notes and you post a segment of testimony asking me where he said what i said . NOTES not testimony , you dont know the difference between notes and testimony ? . LNs have tried to use his notes to assert that Oswald placed himself on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting .

you claimed in essence that Oswald in the building had to have atleast heard shots , that is for the moment and for sake of argument assuming he was innocent . now you dont like it that atleast one other man was in the building and heard not one shot . that was my point simply that it was possible depending on where in the building one was  to not to hear any shots . West proves that .

lol i am upset ? ok what ever you think lol .

[Jack Nessan]

what part of NOTES confused you ? , i said NOTES as in interrogation notes and you post a segment of testimony asking me where he said what i said . NOTES not testimony , you dont know the difference between notes and testimony ? . LNs have tried to use his notes to assert that Oswald placed himself on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting .

you claimed in essence that Oswald in the building had to have atleast heard shots , that is for the moment and for sake of argument assuming he was innocent . now you dont like it that atleast one other man was in the building and heard not one shot . that was my point simply that it was possible depending on where in the building one was  to not to hear any shots . West proves that .

lol i am upset ? ok what ever you think lol .

what part of NOTES confused you ? , i said NOTES as in interrogation notes and you post a segment of testimony asking me where he said what i said . NOTES not testimony , you dont know the difference between notes and testimony ? . LNs have tried to use his notes to assert that Oswald placed himself on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting .

Obrien--“In the notes holmes has Oswald saying he was still on the 6th floor at the time of the shots ,”
 
The part where you claim Holmes stated LHO was on the 6th floor. Holmes never made any statement as to Oswald's exact location let alone the 6th floor. You said he was on the 6th floor Holmes did not. Obviously, the notes do not say that or you would not be claiming they “assert” he was on the 6th floor and it would be posted by you as proof of your claim.

If the notes are such a big deal to you post them. I don’t have time to babysit you. Stop talking about them and make your point. Apparently in his notes you think is the reference to whatever you are talking about. I have read them. His WC testimony is a summary of his notes. Maybe you are reading something into Holmes’s WC testimony too
 
you claimed in essence that Oswald in the building had to have atleast heard shots , that is for the moment and for sake of argument assuming he was innocent . now you dont like it that atleast one other man was in the building and heard not one shot . that was my point simply that it was possible depending on where in the building one was  to not to hear any shots . West proves that .

West does not prove anything, and he is not even remotely relevant to LHO. West heard nothing and was aware of mothing, but the same cannot be said of LHO, because, you know, LHO is going to see what was the commotion.
 
lol i am upset ? ok what ever you think lol .

FO--"exactly what DO YOU SAY i made up ? . i was very clear i spoke from memory in parts in the comment you quoted , but i also posted testimony . so what EXACTLY do you claim i made up ? DO TELL ."

Seems a little upset to me. Probably because you are making things up.

[Fergus O'Brien]

what part of NOTES confused you ? , i said NOTES as in interrogation notes and you post a segment of testimony asking me where he said what i said . NOTES not testimony , you dont know the difference between notes and testimony ? . LNs have tried to use his notes to assert that Oswald placed himself on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting .

Obrien--“In the notes holmes has Oswald saying he was still on the 6th floor at the time of the shots ,”
 
The part where you claim Holmes stated LHO was on the 6th floor. Holmes never made any statement as to Oswald's exact location let alone the 6th floor. You said he was on the 6th floor Holmes did not. Obviously, the notes do not say that or you would not be claiming they “assert” he was on the 6th floor and it would be posted by you as proof of your claim.

If the notes are such a big deal to you post them. I don’t have time to babysit you. Stop talking about them and make your point. Apparently in his notes you think is the reference to whatever you are talking about. I have read them. His WC testimony is a summary of his notes. Maybe you are reading something into Holmes’s WC testimony too
 
you claimed in essence that Oswald in the building had to have atleast heard shots , that is for the moment and for sake of argument assuming he was innocent . now you dont like it that atleast one other man was in the building and heard not one shot . that was my point simply that it was possible depending on where in the building one was  to not to hear any shots . West proves that .

West does not prove anything, and he is not even remotely relevant to LHO. West heard nothing and was aware of mothing, but the same cannot be said of LHO, because, you know, LHO is going to see what was the commotion.
 
lol i am upset ? ok what ever you think lol .

FO--"exactly what DO YOU SAY i made up ? . i was very clear i spoke from memory in parts in the comment you quoted , but i also posted testimony . so what EXACTLY do you claim i made up ? DO TELL ."

Seems a little upset to me. Probably because you are making things up.

ok here is my

"i believe from memory when you talk about Oswald and a "COMMOTION" that you talking about what is in the harry holmes notes , notes that very clearly do not relay certain events in the order they happened or not at the times they happened . in the notes holmes has Oswald saying he was still on the 6th floor at the time of the shots , something the BUG tried to use to his advantage . we know oswald never placed himself on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting ." fergus obrien

what part of NOTES confused you ? , i said NOTES as in interrogation notes and you post a segment of testimony asking me where he said what i said . NOTES not testimony , you dont know the difference between notes and testimony ? . LNs have tried to use his notes to assert that Oswald placed himself on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting .

Obrien--“In the notes holmes has Oswald saying he was still on the 6th floor at the time of the shots ,”
 
The part where you claim Holmes stated LHO was on the 6th floor. Holmes never made any statement as to Oswald's exact location let alone the 6th floor. You said he was on the 6th floor Holmes did not. Obviously, the notes do not say that or you would not be claiming they “assert” he was on the 6th floor and it would be posted by you as proof of your claim.

If the notes are such a big deal to you post them. I don’t have time to babysit you. Stop talking about them and make your point. Apparently in his notes you think is the reference to whatever you are talking about. I have read them. His WC testimony is a summary of his notes. Maybe you are reading something into Holmes’s WC testimony too
 
you claimed in essence that Oswald in the building had to have atleast heard shots , that is for the moment and for sake of argument assuming he was innocent . now you dont like it that atleast one other man was in the building and heard not one shot . that was my point simply that it was possible depending on where in the building one was  to not to hear any shots . West proves that .

West does not prove anything, and he is not even remotely relevant to LHO. West heard nothing and was aware of mothing, but the same cannot be said of LHO, because, you know, LHO is going to see what was the commotion.
 
lol i am upset ? ok what ever you think lol .

FO--"exactly what DO YOU SAY i made up ? . i was very clear i spoke from memory in parts in the comment you quoted , but i also posted testimony . so what EXACTLY do you claim i made up ? DO TELL ."

Seems a little upset to me. Probably because you are making things up.

ok here is my ORIGINAL comment .i will correct myself a tad in what i said as i perhaps could have worded it better .here is my original comment .

"i believe from memory when you talk about Oswald and a "COMMOTION" that you talking about what is in the Harry holmes notes , notes that very clearly do not relay certain events in the order they happened or not at the times they happened . in the notes Holmes has Oswald saying he was still on the 6th floor at the time of the shots , something the BUG tried to use to his advantage . we know Oswald never placed himself on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting ." fergus obrien

ok i did make clear i spoke from memory , i went and refreshed my memory . but you did post testimony and i did not mention testimony .what i should have said is that Harry holmes notes (well i guess statement might  be a better term to use ) have been used by LN to assert that Oswald placed HIMSELF on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting (12.30) or commotion , " the commotion surrounding the shooting ". Holmes notes on the surface can give that impression . i dont know if Holmes did that by accident or on purpose . but once one takes a look at the notes (and they have a little knowledge ) the problem becomes clear .so YES Holmes did not necessarily say Oswald placed himself on the 6th floor at 12.30 , but LN have asserted that Oswald did place himself there at that time based on Holmes notes / statement . what is paramount is that Oswald in no way EVER placed himself on the 6th floor at 12.30 .

you are correct i said "ASSERT " . that was meant in terms of LN . but i only mentioned all of this because you were specific in mentioning "THE COMMOTION " .

as regards baby sitting , when it comes to this case i neither request baby sitting NOR DO I NEED IT , and if i did you would be the last person i would ask . that is not to say that i know everything I DONT , and it is not to say that i wont ever err . i am human as are you , so i can assure you that we both will err or have at some point erred . there is no shame in being wrong , thi e shame comes from one being unable and unwilling to admit they are wrong .

"West does not prove anything, and he is not even remotely relevant to LHO. West heard nothing and was aware of mothing, but the same cannot be said of LHO, because, you know, LHO is going to see what was the commotion. " Jack

once again you chose not to understand what i said . i understand fully that you assert that Oswald was on the 6th floor and in the window thus he knew all too well what was going on . HOWEVER what you choose to assert and what you are able to provide proof of i am certain will differ greatly . my point was SO I THOUGHT VERY CLEAR , such that even a child could understand it . so here it is again but a bit more simplified for you . again FOR SAKE OF ARGUMENT ONLY . if Oswald was on the 2nd floor eating and West was on the 1st floor eating . logic dictates that if West inside the building  never heard a shot that equally the same COULD apply to Oswald . unlike you i am not making any assumptions .

"Seems a little upset to me. Probably because you are making things up." Jack

this is the second time you have accused me of making stuff up , i consider that an accusation that i have lied . so once again post here what you assert i have made up and or lied about  , oh and any proof in addition to prove i have made up or lied about anything . and yes i have the notes / statement (relevant section of them ) which i can post , but if you are any good at this SHOULD I REALLY NEED TO ?.

[John Mytton]

you are entitled to your opinion that he bought the coke after the Baker encounter , that has to be your stance after all given it requires more time be given to Oswald to get change and buy the coke .and as an LN that does not suit your stance . opinion is not proof .the same applies really to your shirt theory .

So, Baker saw Oswald enter the lunchroom and Oswald already had a coke, which leads to the obvious question, why would Oswald need to re-enter the lunchroom, maybe to buy two cokes? Or is assassinating the President of the United States, just thirsty work?



JohnM

[Jack Nessan]

ok here is my

"i believe from memory when you talk about Oswald and a "COMMOTION" that you talking about what is in the harry holmes notes , notes that very clearly do not relay certain events in the order they happened or not at the times they happened . in the notes holmes has Oswald saying he was still on the 6th floor at the time of the shots , something the BUG tried to use to his advantage . we know oswald never placed himself on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting ." fergus obrien


ok here is my ORIGINAL comment .i will correct myself a tad in what i said as i perhaps could have worded it better .here is my original comment .

"i believe from memory when you talk about Oswald and a "COMMOTION" that you talking about what is in the Harry holmes notes , notes that very clearly do not relay certain events in the order they happened or not at the times they happened . in the notes Holmes has Oswald saying he was still on the 6th floor at the time of the shots , something the BUG tried to use to his advantage . we know Oswald never placed himself on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting ." fergus obrien

ok i did make clear i spoke from memory , i went and refreshed my memory . but you did post testimony and i did not mention testimony .what i should have said is that Harry holmes notes (well i guess statement might  be a better term to use ) have been used by LN to assert that Oswald placed HIMSELF on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting (12.30) or commotion , " the commotion surrounding the shooting ". Holmes notes on the surface can give that impression . i dont know if Holmes did that by accident or on purpose . but once one takes a look at the notes (and they have a little knowledge ) the problem becomes clear .so YES Holmes did not necessarily say Oswald placed himself on the 6th floor at 12.30 , but LN have asserted that Oswald did place himself there at that time based on Holmes notes / statement . what is paramount is that Oswald in no way EVER placed himself on the 6th floor at 12.30 .

you are correct i said "ASSERT " . that was meant in terms of LN . but i only mentioned all of this because you were specific in mentioning "THE COMMOTION " .

as regards baby sitting , when it comes to this case i neither request baby sitting NOR DO I NEED IT , and if i did you would be the last person i would ask . that is not to say that i know everything I DONT , and it is not to say that i wont ever err . i am human as are you , so i can assure you that we both will err or have at some point erred . there is no shame in being wrong , thi e shame comes from one being unable and unwilling to admit they are wrong .

"West does not prove anything, and he is not even remotely relevant to LHO. West heard nothing and was aware of mothing, but the same cannot be said of LHO, because, you know, LHO is going to see what was the commotion. " Jack

once again you chose not to understand what i said . i understand fully that you assert that Oswald was on the 6th floor and in the window thus he knew all too well what was going on . HOWEVER what you choose to assert and what you are able to provide proof of i am certain will differ greatly . my point was SO I THOUGHT VERY CLEAR , such that even a child could understand it . so here it is again but a bit more simplified for you . again FOR SAKE OF ARGUMENT ONLY . if Oswald was on the 2nd floor eating and West was on the 1st floor eating . logic dictates that if West inside the building  never heard a shot that equally the same COULD apply to Oswald . unlike you i am not making any assumptions .

"Seems a little upset to me. Probably because you are making things up." Jack

this is the second time you have accused me of making stuff up , i consider that an accusation that i have lied . so once again post here what you assert i have made up and or lied about  , oh and any proof in addition to prove i have made up or lied about anything . and yes i have the notes / statement (relevant section of them ) which i can post , but if you are any good at this SHOULD I REALLY NEED TO ?.

WOW, what a long way around the barn. Sorry but I won’t be looking Holmes’s notes up for you. 

What are you a squid? It appears you are trying to ink the waters in order to flea from what you said. Either post where Holmes said LHO was on the 6th floor or let it go. I am sure if there was any proof of him saying that it would have come out in his testimony.

Now you are changing and saying I “assert” LHO was on the 6th floor but not from Holmes’s notes like everyone else.

FO--“i understand fully that you assert that Oswald was on the 6th floor and in the window thus he knew all too well what was going on” 

FO--“LNs have tried to use his notes to assert that Oswald placed himself on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting.”

They way you are completely contradicting yourself it is more like a discussion with another Ct.

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West has no relevance to LHO hearing the shots. None at all. Oswald was not on the 2nd floor eating. He said he came down to see what the commotion was about. Baker encounters LHO while LHO was walking into the 2nd floor lunch room.

Is there really a doubt why I think you just make things up?

[Fergus O'Brien]

So, Baker saw Oswald enter the lunchroom and Oswald already had a coke, which leads to the obvious question, why would Oswald need to re-enter the lunchroom, maybe to buy two cokes? Or is assassinating the President of the United States, just thirsty work?



JohnM

when did i say Oswald re entered the lunchroom ? when did i say he entered TWICE to buy cokes ? . in fact i never said he ENTERED at all . do try to keep up .

by the way and i an sure you will correct me if i am wrong , but Baker to my knowledge never claimed he saw Oswald walk in the lunchroom door . to my knowledge he said he saw a movement through the door window . which technically at the least is INSIDE .

[Fergus O'Brien]

WOW, what a long way around the barn. Sorry but I won’t be looking Holmes’s notes up for you. 

What are you a squid? It appears you are trying to ink the waters in order to flea from what you said. Either post where Holmes said LHO was on the 6th floor or let it go. I am sure if there was any proof of him saying that it would have come out in his testimony.

Now you are changing and saying I “assert” LHO was on the 6th floor but not from Holmes’s notes like everyone else.

FO--“i understand fully that you assert that Oswald was on the 6th floor and in the window thus he knew all too well what was going on” 

FO--“LNs have tried to use his notes to assert that Oswald placed himself on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting.”

They way you are completely contradicting yourself it is more like a discussion with another Ct.

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West has no relevance to LHO hearing the shots. None at all. Oswald was not on the 2nd floor eating. He said he came down to see what the commotion was about. Baker encounters LHO while LHO was walking into the 2nd floor lunch room.

Is there really a doubt why I think you just make things up?

"Sorry but I won’t be looking Holmes’s notes up for you " Jack

if you were any good at this you would not need to check up . i had no need to check Holmes notes / statement , but in the interests of trying to be as accurate as i could and not always rely upon memory i did check and i refreshed my memory .

"What are you a squid? It appears you are trying to ink the waters in order to flea from what you said. Either post where Holmes said LHO was on the 6th floor or let it go. I am sure if there was any proof of him saying that it would have come out in his testimony." Jack

i was crystal clear on this . i even posted a child proof comment / explanation for you .

"FO--“i understand fully that you assert that Oswald was on the 6th floor and in the window thus he knew all too well what was going on” 

FO--“LNs have tried to use his notes to assert that Oswald placed himself on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting.” " Jack

so then it is NOT your assertion as an LN that Oswald was on the 6th floor and in the window shooting at 12.30 ?  . so as an LN where do you assert that Oswald was at 12.30 ? .do tell .

YES just about every LN ive spoken to asserts based on Holmes notes / statement that Oswald SLIPPED UP and placed himself on the 6th floor at 12.30 .

"West has no relevance to LHO hearing the shots. None at all. Oswald was not on the 2nd floor eating. He said he came down to see what the commotion was about. Baker encounters LHO while LHO was walking into the 2nd floor lunch room. " Jack

Mr. BAKER - As I came out to the second floor there, Mr. Truly was ahead of me, and as I come out I was kind of scanning, you know, the rooms, and I caught a glimpse of this man walking away from this--I happened to see him through this window in this door. I don't know how come I saw him, but I had a glimpse of him coming down there.
Mr. DULLES - Where was he coming from, do you know?
Mr. BAKER - No, sir. All I seen of him was a glimpse of him go away from me.
Mr. BELIN - What did you do then?
Mr. BAKER - I ran on over there
Representative BOGGS -You mean where he was?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir. There is a door there with a glass, it seemed to me like about a 2 by 2, something like that, and then there is another door which is 6 foot on over there, and there is a hallway over there and a hallway entering into a lunchroom, and when I got to where I could. see him he was walking away from me about 20 feet away from me in the lunchroom.
Mr. BELIN - What did you do?
Mr. BAKER - I hollered at him at that time and said, "Come here." He turned and walked right straight back to me.
Mr. BELIN - Where were you at the time you hollered?
Mr. BAKER - I was standing in the hallway between this door and the second door, right at the edge of the second door.

EXACTLY where above did Baker under oath claim he saw Oswald WALKING INTO THE LUNCHROOM ? .


"Is there really a doubt why I think you just make things up?" Jack

hmmm ? well YES there will always be doubt while you can offer no proof that i did what you claim .