Vicki Adams: The Lost Interview

[Martin Weidmann]

That would be enough to hang him. What speculation? His are the only fingerprints found. He owned the rifle. Good bye Lee Harvey.

Stop being so superficial. You can't even provide evidence that puts Oswald on the 6th floor when the shots were fired. And even if Oswald owned that particular rifle in March 1963 (which is a very big "if"), you can not produce a shred of evidence that it was still in his possession on 11/22/63. Again, all you've got are assumptions and you seem to lack the intelligence to even understand that.

[Jack Nessan]

Stop being so superficial. You can't even provide evidence that puts Oswald on the 6th floor when the shots were fired. And even if Oswald owned that particular rifle in March 1963 (which is a very big "if"), you can not produce a shred of evidence that it was still in his possession on 11/22/63. Again, all you've got are assumptions and you seem to lack the intelligence to even understand that.

Fingerprints are evidence. He built the SN. The bag that brought the rifle had his palm print and fingerprints exactly as described in how he held the bag. You are the only one talking about how innocent he is and is beyond doubt.

[Martin Weidmann]

Fingerprints are evidence. He built the SN. The bag that brought the rifle had his palm print and fingerprints exactly as described in how he held the bag. You are the only one talking about how innocent he is and is beyond doubt.

Fingerprints are indeed evidence but they are not automatically proof.

Prints found on boxes that Oswald had to handle as part of his job are of very limited evidentiary value. And that's not only my opinion. Wesley Liebeler made exactly that point when discussing the weakness of some of the evidence. The evidentiary value is even further reduced because there were also other prints on the boxes that could not be identified. They could just as easily have been from somebody else.

There was no palm print found on the rifle. The FBI examined the rifle in the night after the shooting and found no prints or even residue of a print that had been lifted. That Day, several days later, produced an evidence card with a palmprint on it and claimed that he had lifted from the rifle is not particularly convincing. The chief forensic officer of the DPD finds a palmprint on the presumed murder rifle (which would be crucial evidence) and then just puts it in his desk. Really?

As far as the bag goes, the preponderance of evidence is against Oswald carrying the bag found at the TSBD on Friday morning. The TSBD bag was made out of materials found and used at the TSBD, but nobody saw Oswald make such a bag. Even worse, the last opportunity Oswald would have had to make the bag was Thursday afternoon. On Friday afternoon the DPD took samples of the TSBD materials and found a perfect match of the cut of the wrapping paper on the machine with that of the bag. This would mean that since Thursday afternoon no wrapping paper was used. Not a single piece during the entire Friday morning. Hardly a likely tale! I don't know how Oswald's prints got on that bag, or if they really did, but I can think of several scenarios. Frazier did not see Oswald having a folded bag with him during the trip to Irving on Thursday and there actually was no reason for Oswald to make that bag. Seven months earlier Oswald is supposed to have carried the rifle on public transport to New Orleans. Whatever container he used at that time, would have sufficed.

This is the problem with the LN "logic"; it never goes beyond superficial and it never looks at the entirety of the available information. As long as it points to Oswald it's so-called "evidence" with no need to dig deeper any maybe find something you don't like.

You are the only one talking about how innocent he is and is beyond doubt.

There you go again. Another assumption that simply isn't true. Ever since I joined this forum I have never stated that Oswald was innocent or that there had been a conspiracy. I challenge you to find one post in which I did!

In the meantime you still haven't explained where Adams and Styles were during 4 minutes after the shots, if they did not go down the stairs immediately. Remember this;

The evidence that Adams and Styles never left the 4th floor until four minutes after is everywhere.

Do you really think that people just believe you when you make baseless claims without providing any evidence for it?

[John Mytton]

Fingerprints are indeed evidence but they are not automatically proof.
Prints found on boxes that Oswald had to handle as part of his job are of very limited evidentiary value.

Let's put this into perspective, yes Oswald did work in the building with hundreds of boxes, but the smaller Rolling Reader boxes which were moved to be a rifle rest were different to every other box on the floor, so whoever moved those boxes for the specific purpose of becoming a rifle rest, must have had knowledge of the boxes on that floor.
So we can conclude that unless some outside assassin happened to find those random specific boxes, the assassin was an employee.

Mr. BALL. Had you ever instructed anybody to take two Rolling Readers over there?
Mr. SHELLEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Would it have been unusual for two Rolling Readers to be out of the stack and over there?
Mr. SHELLEY. Very unusual, because they are different size cartons from everything else.
Mr. BALL. You mean from everything else in the southeast corner?
Mr. SHELLEY. Well, from any box on that floor.

Latona confirmed that the prints on the Rolling Reader box belonged to Lee Harvey Oswald.

Mr. EISENBERG. They have satisfied themselves that the print is on the box. Now, therefore, to recapitulate: You found on this carton 641 the left palmprint and the right index fingerprint of Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. LATONA. That is correct.



The prints on these Rolling Reader which were oriented down Elm street, were described by Latona as being fresh and Latona who like all the FBI witnesses were very cautious with their testimonies but still said that the prints came from the box being touched within the previous 24 hours.
So in conclusion, it wasn't as far as I know, a job requirement for every employee to touch every one of hundreds of boxes every 24 hours, so the chances that a random box which was used for a specific purpose within the warehouse just happened to be touched by Oswald within the last day is possible but extremely unlikely. And the fact that the orientation of the prints corresponded to being pointed down Elm street instead of some other random direction is also powerful evidence that Oswald rested there as he planned his assassination.

Mr. EISENBERG. That would be the outermost limit that you can testify concerning?
Mr. LATONA. We have, run some tests, and usually a minimum of 24 hours on a material of this kind, depending upon how heavy the sweat was, to try to say within a 24-hour period would be a guess on my part.
Mr. EISENBERG. I am not sure I understand your reference to a minimum of 24 hours.
Mr. LATONA. We have conducted tests with various types of materials as to how long it could be before we would not develop a latent print.
Mr. EISENBERG. Yes?
Mr. LATONA. Assuming that the same print was left on an object or a series of similar prints were left on an object, and powdering them, say, at intervals of every 4 hours or so, we would fail to develop a latent print of that particular type on that particular surface, say, within a 24-hour period.
Mr. EISENBERG. So that is a maximum of 24 hours?
Mr. LATONA. That is right.

And for bonus points, Latona testified that the palm print on the rifle barrel could be completely obliterated by Day's original lift.

Mr. DULLES. Do I understand then that if there is a lifting of this kind, that it may obliterate----
Mr. LATONA. Completely.
Mr. DULLES. The original print?
Mr. LATONA. That is right.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Let's put this into perspective, yes Oswald did work in the building with hundreds of boxes, but the smaller Rolling Reader boxes which were moved to be a rifle rest were different to every other box on the floor, so whoever moved those boxes for the specific purpose of becoming a rifle rest, must have had knowledge of the boxes on that floor.
So we can conclude that unless some outside assassin happened to find those random specific boxes, the assassin was an employee.

Mr. BALL. Had you ever instructed anybody to take two Rolling Readers over there?
Mr. SHELLEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Would it have been unusual for two Rolling Readers to be out of the stack and over there?
Mr. SHELLEY. Very unusual, because they are different size cartons from everything else.
Mr. BALL. You mean from everything else in the southeast corner?
Mr. SHELLEY. Well, from any box on that floor.

The prints on these Rolling Reader were described by Latona as being fresh and Latona who like all the FBI witnesses were very cautious with their testimonies but still said that the prints came from the box being touched within the previous 24 hours.
So in conclusion, it wasn't as far as I know, a job requirement for every employee to touch every one of hundreds of boxes every 24 hours, so the chances that a random box which was used for a specific purpose within the warehouse just happened to be touched by Oswald within the last day is possible but extremely unlikely.

Mr. EISENBERG. That would be the outermost limit that you can testify concerning?
Mr. LATONA. We have, run some tests, and usually a minimum of 24 hours on a material of this kind, depending upon how heavy the sweat was, to try to say within a 24-hour period would be a guess on my part.
Mr. EISENBERG. I am not sure I understand your reference to a minimum of 24 hours.
Mr. LATONA. We have conducted tests with various types of materials as to how long it could be before we would not develop a latent print.
Mr. EISENBERG. Yes?
Mr. LATONA. Assuming that the same print was left on an object or a series of similar prints were left on an object, and powdering them, say, at intervals of every 4 hours or so, we would fail to develop a latent print of that particular type on that particular surface, say, within a 24-hour period.
Mr. EISENBERG. So that is a maximum of 24 hours?
Mr. LATONA. That is right.

And for bonus points, Latona testified that the palm print on the rifle barrel could be completely obliterated by Day's original lift.

Mr. DULLES. Do I understand then that if there is a lifting of this kind, that it may obliterate----
Mr. LATONA. Completely.
Mr. DULLES. The original print?
Mr. LATONA. That is right.

JohnM

Let's put this into perspective, yes Oswald did work in the building with hundreds of boxes, but the smaller Rolling Reader boxes which were moved to be a rifle rest were different to every other box on the floor, so whoever moved those boxes for the specific purpose of becoming a rifle rest, must have had knowledge of the boxes on that floor.
So we can conclude that unless some outside assassin happened to find those random specific boxes, the assassin was an employee.

That's just as silly a conclusion as saying; "we can conclude that somebody killed Kennedy". It's meaningless

The prints on these Rolling Reader were described by Latona as being fresh and Latona who like all the FBI witnesses were very cautious with their testimonies but still said that the prints came from the box being touched within the previous 24 hours.
So in conclusion, it wasn't as far as I know, a job requirement for every employee to touch every one of hundreds of boxes every 24 hours, so the chances that a random box which was used for a specific purpose within the warehouse just happened to be touched by Oswald within the last day is possible but extremely unlikely.

It doesn't matter if it was not a job requirement for every employee to touch boxes (hundereds of just one). We know for a fact that the order fillers' job was to touch those boxes. Oswald was an order filler.

so the chances that a random box which was used for a specific purpose within the warehouse just happened to be touched by Oswald within the last day is possible but extremely unlikely.

"is possible but extremely unlikely" = no evidentairy value. Opinions are not evidence.

And for bonus points, Latona testified that the palm print on the rifle barrel could be completely obliterated by Day's original lift.

Since when is "could be" evidence of anything?


So, in conclusion, we have a possibility that anybody could have touched those boxes, we have a possibility (and an opinion that it's unlikely) that an employes who's job it was to touch boxes, actually touched boxes and a "could be", well after the fact (in an equaly possible) c.y.a. action - that's my opinion btw) that it is possible to lift a print completely.

So, yes, let's put it all in perspective; You've got nothing!

[John Mytton]

Let's put this into perspective, yes Oswald did work in the building with hundreds of boxes, but the smaller Rolling Reader boxes which were moved to be a rifle rest were different to every other box on the floor, so whoever moved those boxes for the specific purpose of becoming a rifle rest, must have had knowledge of the boxes on that floor.
So we can conclude that unless some outside assassin happened to find those random specific boxes, the assassin was an employee.

That's just as silly a conclusion as saying; "we can conclude that somebody killed Kennedy". It's meaningless

The prints on these Rolling Reader were described by Latona as being fresh and Latona who like all the FBI witnesses were very cautious with their testimonies but still said that the prints came from the box being touched within the previous 24 hours.
So in conclusion, it wasn't as far as I know, a job requirement for every employee to touch every one of hundreds of boxes every 24 hours, so the chances that a random box which was used for a specific purpose within the warehouse just happened to be touched by Oswald within the last day is possible but extremely unlikely.

It doesn't matter if it was not a job requirement for every employee to touch boxes (hundereds of just one). We know for a fact that the order fillers' job was to touch those boxes. Oswald was an order filler.

so the chances that a random box which was used for a specific purpose within the warehouse just happened to be touched by Oswald within the last day is possible but extremely unlikely.

"is possible by extremely unlikely" = no evidentairy value. Opinions are not evidence.

And for bonus points, Latona testified that the palm print on the rifle barrel could be completely obliterated by Day's original lift.

Since when is "could be" evidence of anything?


So, in conclusion, we have a possibility that anybody could have touched those boxes, we have a possibility (and an opinion that it's unlikely) that an employes who's job it was to touch boxes, actually touched boxes and a "could be", well after the fact (in an equaly possible) c.y.a. action - that's my opinion btw) that it is possible to lift a print completely.

So, yes, let's put it all in perspective; You've got nothing!

Hilarious, Oswald was the unluckiest man on the planet.

He just happened to work in the building from which shots were fired from.
He just happened to own the rifle found on the 6th floor.
He just happened to own the prints found in the sniper's nest
He just happened to own the prints found on the rifle
He just happened to own the prints found on the long paper bag.
He just happened to match the close description given over the Police radio at 12:45.
He just happened to own the rifle which exclusively matched the shells found in the Limo.
He just happened to flee the crime scene immediately
He just happened to get out of his cab way past his rooming house
He just happened to admit retrieving his revolver from the rooming house
He just happened to be positively identified by about ten eyewitnesses at the Tippit crime scene
He just happened to be arrested a mile of the Tippit crime scene, and Tippit was the first cop killed by gunfire in Dallas in years
He just happened to own the jacket found in the car park which he was seen entering.
He just happened to own the revolver which exclusively matched the shells found at the Tippit crime scene.
He just happened to pull the trigger on his revolver when fighting the Police.
He just happened to etc etc etc etc etc etc...........

Poor poor Oswald!

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Hilarious, Oswald was the unluckiest man on the planet.

He just happened to work in the building from which shots were fired from.
He just happened to own the rifle found on the 6th floor.
He just happened to own the prints found in the sniper's nest
He just happened to own the prints found on the rifle
He just happened to own the prints found on the long paper bag.
He just happened to match the close description given over the Police radio at 12:45.
He just happened to own the rifle which exclusively matched the shells found in the Limo.
He just happened to flee the crime scene immediately
He just happened to get out of his cab way past his rooming house
He just happened to admit retrieving his revolver from the rooming house
He just happened to be positively identified by about ten eyewitnesses at the Tippit crime scene
He just happened to be arrested a mile of the Tippit crime scene, and Tippit was the first cop killed by gunfire in Dallas in years
He just happened to own the jacket found in the car park which he was seen entering.
He just happened to own the revolver which exclusively matched the shells found at the Tippit crime scene.
He just happened to pull the trigger on his revolver when fighting the Police.
He just happened to etc etc etc etc etc etc...........

Poor poor Oswald!

JohnM

And here he goes again.... more superficial assumptions presented as "evidence", but in fact are not supported by the actual facts.

You just can't help yourself, can't you?