The LHO Escape -- Panic and Shock

[Martin Weidmann]

Yes, nothing to see there.  Oswald takes a singular trip to the Paine home on a Thursday - the night before the assassination - where he just happened to store his rifle.  He leaves his wedding ring for the first time with his wife the next day.  He also leaves a large amount of money.  He carries a long package which he tells Frazier contains curtain rods.  No such curtain rods are ever found at any location he visited that day.  He later denies carrying anything other than his lunch sack.  He flees from the crime scene moments after the assassination - also his place of employment - in the middle of the day to obtain a gun.  This flight from the crime is somehow twisted to mean that Oswald is innocent because if he were guilty, he would have sat down and allowed himself to be arrested.

Nice regurgitation of the official narrative, but how much of it is really true?

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Yes, nothing to see there.  Oswald takes a singular trip to the Paine home on a Thursday - the night before the assassination - where he just happened to store his rifle.  He leaves his wedding ring for the first time with his wife the next day.  He also leaves a large amount of money.  He carries a long package which he tells Frazier contains curtain rods.  No such curtain rods are ever found at any location he visited that day.  He later denies carrying anything other than his lunch sack.  He flees from the crime scene moments after the assassination - also his place of employment - in the middle of the day to obtain a gun.  This flight from the crime is somehow twisted to mean that Oswald is innocent because if he were guilty, he would have sat down and allowed himself to be arrested.

And he told Marina that he would see her again on the weekend but that he wouldn't stay Friday since he stayed Thursday.

What's the need to leave the money Friday? He's going to see her Saturday and Sunday, right? Give her the money then. Discuss what she needs to buy. Or go with her to pick the items up since she spoke and understood broken limited English. And what's the need for curtain rods anyway? He can get them over the weekend and take them back Monday.

There's a long list of circumstantial evidence, of acts, of behavior, of various accounts by people, that all point towards him. And only him. So all of this was faked? Manufactured? The evidence, the eyewitness accounts, his behavior? Absurd.

[Martin Weidmann]

AND he told Marina that he would see her again on the weekend but that he wouldn't stay Friday since he stayed Thursday.

What's the need to leave the money Friday? He's going to see her Saturday and Sunday. Give her the money then. Discuss what she needs to buy. What's the need for curtain rods? He can get them over the weekend and take them back Monday.

There's a long list of circumstantial evidence, of acts, of behavior, of various accounts by people, that all point towards him. And only him. So all of this was faked? Manufactured? The evidence, the eyewitness accounts, his behavior? Absurd.

So all of this was faked? Manufactured? The evidence, the eyewitness accounts, his behavior? Absurd.

Silly remark. Any piece of circumstantial evidence, no matter how weak or insignificant, can be selectively fitted in a narrative pointing in some pre-determined direction.

An unscheduled trip to Irving, which differs from a hardly existing routine, Oswald allegedly leaving money behind for the kids and taking of his wedding ring all become sinister in a predetermined mind set. It's not the events that become the evidence, it's the interpretation of those events that somehow becomes evidence. Now that's really absurd!

[John Mytton]

He probably expected to be killed or arrested in the building.  He was likely as surprised as anyone that he got out.  When he did, he just kept moving until they closed in on him.  At that point, he is the most wanted criminal in the world.  That would be a source of stress.

 

Thanks Richard, this insightful comment is not mere speculation, but from Oswald's own written words can be considered fact.

Oswald never thought he would get away with the murder of the President and fully expected to be killed by cops, and this can be seen in the very first Commission exhibit, the Walker note which says "11. If I am alive and taken Prisoner..." which indicates that he was fully prepared to commit suicide by cop.



Oswald's "historic diary" also gives further insight into his deranged state of mind where he admits he tried to commit suicide, and this dying for his Political beliefs even extends to his arrest at the Texas Theatre when he pulls out his revolver in front of a stack of cops, and then this maniac pulls the trigger and tries to kill McDonald. The only intended outcome was to die but the brave Dallas Police instead arrested this sick little double murderer.



JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Thanks Richard, this insightful comment is not mere speculation, but from Oswald's own written words can be considered fact.

Oswald never thought he would get away with the murder of the President and fully expected to be killed by cops, and this can be seen in the very first Commission exhibit, the Walker note which says "11. If I am alive and taken Prisoner..." which indicates that he was fully prepared to commit suicide by cop.



Oswald's "historic diary" also gives further insight into his deranged state of mind where he admits he tried to commit suicide, and this dying for his Political beliefs even extends to his arrest at the Texas Theatre when he pulls out his revolver in front of a stack of cops, and then this maniac pulls the trigger and tries to kill McDonald. The only intended outcome was to die but the brave Dallas Police instead arrested this sick little double murderer.



JohnM

What a joke... trying to dishonestly link massive assumptions made about Oswald with a document he allegedly wrote months earlier. But it's a good example how highly questional "evidence" (of absolutely nothing) and speculation somehow becomes "circumstantial evidence".

[John Mytton]

What a joke... trying to dishonestly link massive assumptions made about Oswald with a document he allegedly wrote months earlier. But it's a good example how highly questional "evidence" (of absolutely nothing) and speculation somehow becomes "circumstantial evidence".

Golly gee willikers Martin, why all the hostility, I didn't write that evidence, Oswald did!

I didn't shoot myself in the elbow while training to be a Marine, Oswald did!
I didn't lie about my Mother's illness to escape the Marines, Oswald did!
I didn't defect to the Enemy at the height of the Cold War, Oswald did!
I didn't slash my wrists when refused entry into Russia, Oswald did!
I didn't document my suicide attempt, Oswald did!
I didn't bash my wife, Oswald did!
I didn't order a mail order rifle, Oswald did!
I didn't order a mail order revolver, Oswald did!
I didn't try to kill General Walker, Oswald did!
I didn't write a note to my wife on what to do after I'm killed or captured, Oswald did!
I didn't leave the majority of my money with my wife on an unscheduled visit, Oswald did!
I didn't leave my wedding ring behind with my wife on the same unscheduled visit, Oswald did!
I didn't carry a long package to work on the morning of the assassination, Oswald did!
I didn't lie about the package, Oswald did!
I didn't leave my prints on the Murder weapon, Oswald did!
I didn't get identified by Brennan in the snioper's nest window, Oswald did!
I didn't leave my shirt fibers that matched fibers found on the Murder weapon, Oswald did!
I didn't leave prints on the rifle rest, Oswald did!
I didn't own the weapon that exclusively matched the bullet fragments found in the Limo, Oswald did!
I didn't immediately flee the crime scene, Oswald did!
I didn't catch a bus and then get off, Oswald did!
I didn't go way past my rooming house then walk back, Oswald did!
I didn't admit getting my revolver from Oswald's rooming house, Oswald did!
I didn't go to my room and be seen zipping up my jacket, Oswald did!
I didn't kill Tippit in front of an eyewitness, Oswald did!
I didn't get seen in front of a plethora of eyewitnesses fleeing from the Tippit crime scene, Oswald did!
I didn't leave my jacket under a car in a parking lot from the parking lot I was seen entering, Oswald did!
I didn't pass by by a shoe salesman without my jacket, Oswald did!
I didn't enter a Theatre without paying, Oswald did!
I didn't punch a Police Officer upon his approach, Oswald did!
I didn't pull out the Tippit murder weapon and try to kill more Police Officers, Oswald did!
I didn't lie about authenticated backyard photos, Oswald did!
I didn't lie about where I put my long package in Frazier's car, Oswald did!
I didn't lie about owning the Murder weapon, Oswald did!
Etc etc etc!

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Golly gee willikers Martin, why all the hostility, I didn't write that evidence, Oswald did!

I didn't shoot myself in the elbow while training to be a Marine, Oswald did!
I didn't lie about my Mother's illness to escape the Marines, Oswald did!
I didn't defect to the Enemy at the height of the Cold War, Oswald did!
I didn't slash my wrists when refused entry into Russia, Oswald did!
I didn't document my suicide attempt, Oswald did!
I didn't bash my wife, Oswald did!
I didn't order a mail order rifle, Oswald did!
I didn't order a mail order revolver, Oswald did!
I didn't try to kill General Walker, Oswald did!
I didn't write a note to my wife on what to do after I'm killed or captured, Oswald did!
I didn't leave the majority of my money with my wife on an unscheduled visit, Oswald did!
I didn't leave my wedding ring behind with my wife on the same unscheduled visit, Oswald did!
I didn't carry a long package to work on the morning of the assassination, Oswald did!
I didn't lie about the package, Oswald did!
I didn't leave my prints on the Murder weapon, Oswald did!
I didn't get identified by Brennan in the snioper's nest window, Oswald did!
I didn't leave my shirt fibers that matched fibers found on the Murder weapon, Oswald did!
I didn't leave prints on the rifle rest, Oswald did!
I didn't own the weapon that exclusively matched the bullet fragments found in the Limo, Oswald did!
I didn't immediately flee the crime scene, Oswald did!
I didn't catch a bus and then get off, Oswald did!
I didn't go way past my rooming house then walk back, Oswald did!
I didn't admit getting my revolver from Oswald's rooming house, Oswald did!
I didn't go to my room and be seen zipping up my jacket, Oswald did!
I didn't kill Tippit in front of an eyewitness, Oswald did!
I didn't be seen in front of a plethora of eyewitnesses fleeing from the Tippit crime scene, Oswald did!
I didn't leave my jacket under a car in a parking lot from the parking lot I was seen entering, Oswald did!
I wasn't seen by a shoe salesman without my jacket, Oswald did!
I didn't enter a Theatre without paying, Oswald did!
I didn't punch a Police Officer upon his approach, Oswald did!
I didn't pull out the Tippit murder weapon and try to kill more Police Officers, Oswald did!
I didn't lie about authenticated backyard photos, Oswald did!
I didn't lie about where I put my long package in Frazier's car, Oswald did!
I didn't lie about owning the Murder weapon, Oswald did!
Etc etc etc!

JohnM

Golly gee willikers Martin, why all the hostility,

A simple statement of fact isn't really hostility, but I can understand how somebody like you could perceive it to be.

I didn't write that evidence, Oswald did!

What "evidence" did Oswald write, exactly and how is what he allegedly wrote evidence and of what?

Btw.. repeating a bunch of wild claims for which you can't produce a shred of conclusive evidence is exactly what my previous comment was about.

I'll give you one example; you claim that Oswald lied about the package he brought to work on Friday morning, but you haven't got a shred of evidence to back it up. All you've got is conjecture.

Another example; You claim that Oswald owned the weapon that exclusively matched the bullet fragments found in the Limo, but again, apart from conjecture, you haven't got a shred of evidence to back up that claim. In fact, you can't even prove that the bullet fragments now in evidence were in fact found in the Limo.

It's easy to concoct a story, but at some point you will need some solid conclusive evidence to back it up and it's exactly there were you fail massively.