The LHO Escape -- Panic and Shock

[Martin Weidmann]

1. Go to any of my threads re Hickey, & show where any of my conclusions are wrong.
2. Dwell for a moment, re the fact, that not one CTer or LNer etc have ever changed their opinion on this forum, not ever following my brilliant genius revelations, & not re any other revelations.
3. Add yourself to this list.
4. There are say 10 witnesses to Hickey firing his weapon.
5. Yes Holland's wordage that supports Hickey firing is at odds with his wordage that there was smoke near the fence. Feel free to use your BS meter here, as with all other wordages.
6. Re the lawsuit, it looks to me that u reckon that Hickey did not do the dirty deed koz of lawyers. Hardly science.
7. I don’t understand any of what u said re Donahue being disingenuous.
8. I don’t understand any of what u said re Donahue playing both sides.
9. Show me where there is no merit in my wordage re Hickey did it.
10. Show me one fact that precludes the Hickey did it theory. Just one. One strike & the Hickey theory is out.
11. How can anything connected with what Oswald did pre or post shooting be of any import re the fact that Hickey shot jfk?

not ever following my brilliant genius revelations

It seems you yourself haven't changed your flawed opinion that your revelations were "brilliant genius".

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

not ever following my brilliant genius revelations

It seems you yourself haven't changed your flawed opinion that your revelations were "brilliant genius".

Read my comments, 712  ovem.
Early on not so good, but i was learning fast.
Have u learnt anything?
I know more re the jfk saga than all members here combined.
Anyhow, show me where any one of my comments are flawed.

[Martin Weidmann]

Read my comments, 712  ovem.
Early on not so good, but i was learning fast.
Have u learnt anything?
I know more re the jfk saga than all members here combined.
Anyhow, show me where any one of my comments are flawed.

Anyhow, show me where any one of my comments are flawed.

Easy, all your comments are automatically flawed when you qualify them as "brilliant genius" and arrogantly claim that you know more of this case than all members combined.

Have u learnt anything?

Sure, for one thing I have learned to write correctly and secondly that people who present themselves as a "brilliant genius" never really are.

[Richard Smith]

Richard Smith wrote:  "Oswald was smart enough to know there was no escape plan after shooting the president in broad daylight in the presence of law enforcement.  He knew that death or arrest was part of the equation to commit this act which is why he left most of his money and wedding ring with his wife.  If you believe the crazy Mortal Error theory that Hickey fired the fatal shot, why would that cause Oswald any shock since he was still the assassin...?"

Hi, Richard.  Thanks for your reply.  If LHO knew "there was no escape," then why did he try so desperately to escape? 

That's very easy.   Like almost every desperate criminal in history, Oswald just played out his hand until the end.  He had nothing to lose.  Almost no criminal on the run just waits to be arrested no matter how hopeless the situation.  You are trying to use logic on a guy who is not acting rationally.  Oswald decided he was going to kill the president.  He probably expected to be killed or arrested in the building.  He was likely as surprised as anyone that he got out.  When he did, he just kept moving until they closed in on him.  At that point, he is the most wanted criminal in the world.  That would be a source of stress.

[Richard Smith]

the oswald leaving all his money behind for marina stuff is a nonsense . for those unaware lone nut advocates have been saying FALSELY a long time now that oswald left all his money the morning of that tragic day for marina because he knew he would never return . bugliosi made such a claim . and its not true .firstly oswald had i believe from memory 13 dollars on his person when arrested . that was a tidy sum in 1963 . that was a good days salary back then .

as regard money found at the paines . that money was not left there by oswald on the friday morning november 22 1963 . it is money that lee and marina were saving . oswald put money in an old wallet every time he could , and had done so from a time before they ever lived at the paines . marina her self said so .

that only leaves oswalds ring which in terms of this case proves nothing . in fact oswalds fellow employees (not frazier as they knew each other better ) did not realize he was married . oswald apparently didnt wear his wedding ring during work time because it would snag on things . i can vouch for such a thing happening . i mean in that my ring also snagged and bent and i had to stop wearing it . oswald may have thought (given marinas demeanor thursday night ) that he could not convince her to talk and give him a chance to make things right , so in that sense he may have decided to remove his ring thinking his marriage was over or he may have done it simply in frustration . on the morning of the assassination he woke up late and quickly left and walked to fraziers house . it has been said that oswald strangely turned up  before frazier was ready , but wes has stated that he was running late and had not realized until he saw lee outside . so in his rush having woke up late its not impossible that he forgot his ring something most of us will have done atleast once .but yes we also must allow that he left it there to say to marina that he knew his marriage was over . but that in no way proves he shot jfk .

I said that he left most of his money with Marina.  Not all.  And, of course, Oswald followed the Russian tradition of wearing his wedding ring on his right hand.  Assuming that you are even correct that most of his co-workers didn't know he was married, that is probably because he hardly spoke to anyone and wore his ring on the opposite hand.  Not because he didn't wear his wedding ring on a regular basis.  Instead his own wife confirmed it was the only time he had done so.  She was in the best position to know.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

I said that he left most of his money with Marina.  Not all.  And, of course, Oswald followed the Russian tradition or wearing his wedding ring on his right hand.  Assuming that you are even correct that most of his co-workers didn't know he was married, that is probably because he hardly spoke to anyone and wore his ring on the opposite hand.  Not because he didn't wear his wedding ring on a regular basis.  Instead his own wife confirmed it was the only time he had done so.  She was in the best position to know.

From "Marina and Lee". On the morning of the assassination after dressing "Lee kissed the children, who were sleeping. But he did not kiss Marina, as he always did before he left in the morning. He got as far as the bedroom door, then came back, and said "I've left some money on the bureau. Take it and buy everything you and Junie and Rachel need. Bye-bye." Then Lee went out the door.

"Good God", thought Marina, "What has happened to my husband that he has all of a sudden got so kind?"

When she awakened later and "Looked into the bureau, she found the extraordinary sum of $170. It must have been nearly everything Lee had."

He didn't leave the money in his wallet as he normally kept it. He took it out, placed it on the bureau and specifically told her to spend it all on her and the girls. All of it. No worries about tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow......

[Richard Smith]

From "Marina and Lee". On the morning of the assassination after dressing "Lee kissed the children, who were sleeping. But he did not kiss Marina, as he always did before he left in the morning. He got as far as the bedroom door, then came back, and said "I've left some money on the bureau. Take it and buy everything you and Junie and Rachel need. Bye-bye." Then Lee went out the door.

"Good God", thought Marina, "What has happened to my husband that he has all of a sudden got so kind?"

When she awakened later when she "Looked into the bureau, she found the extraordinary sum of $170. It must have been nearly everything Lee had."

He didn't leave the money in his wallet. He took it out, placed it on the bureau and specifically told her to spend it all on her and the girls.

Yes, nothing to see there.  Oswald takes a singular trip to the Paine home on a Thursday - the night before the assassination - where he just happened to store his rifle.  He leaves his wedding ring for the first time with his wife the next day.  He also leaves a large amount of money.  He carries a long package which he tells Frazier contains curtain rods.  No such curtain rods are ever found at any location he visited that day.  He later denies carrying anything other than his lunch sack.  He flees from the crime scene moments after the assassination - also his place of employment - in the middle of the day to obtain a gun.  This flight from the crime is somehow twisted to mean that Oswald is innocent because if he were guilty, he would have sat down and allowed himself to be arrested.